at following newbies, looking at other's work and offering feedback and constructive criticism. I know that I feel a little sadness when I work hard to get a shot that I really liked and put it on and it only gets 7 views. :( I really love this project and have learned so much, but it is a bit of a letdown when you try so hard and then your work for the day just seems to fade away without anyone even getting a glimpse. I appreciate my followers so MUCH and I have been trying to pick up more people to follow and really take the extra few minutes a day to comment on their photos. I just think that we all could stand to do a little better.......:)
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@northy I never dreamed this post would be taken the way that some have taken it. Your 3rd paragraph states it perfectly. I wasnt meaning any harm by any means and definitely not telling anyone that they need to spend more time on here. I just thought that alot of new people and not so new people get overlooked and/or discouraged as I have felt the same way as they do. I follow people, comment probably more than I should LOL and sometimes its just frustrating that you get a few views. That is all I was trying to say.
@brianl I think those tags are great ideas, thanks for agreeing. @chewyteeth I have seen similar threads, just usually someone asking why they are not getting views/followers. They have been given very similar advice as in todays thread. The difference with this discussion is that @superbeyotch wasnt asking for herself but on behalf of all newbies. And yes I have seen you comment often.
@superbeyotch This all seems like a Troll for followers to me, we all started with no followers or support on here as newbies you just need to follow 2 simple steps.
1. Participate in as much as your time allows.
2. Don't talk about fight club (or should this be No 1?)
Also you need to look at this site as an opportunity to improve your photography skills, I have plenty of images that I know are boring and might only get a handful of views and 1 or 2 comments but thats the way it works, yes you can take that shot of the month and get the gratification of having high views/favs PP or even top twenty if you lucky enough.
But If you are here only for that you will be disapointed, if you had started this thread off with an image that had low views and said "critque please" you may have found a few followers that like your style.
Writing something that you may see as a little tongue in check can offten be read as sarcasm and responed to in that tone.
@flagged Trolling for followers was NEVER the intention for this post. Maybe I worded it wrong, and apparently I did the way people are responding. I had been seeing newer members that had some great photos and maybe werent getting seen and I thought I would put a friendly little post to say, "Hey, lets all try and keep the new guys excited about being on here!" I am sorry that it was taken this way. Have a great day everyone.
@superbeyotch I’ve given this some thought while driving in to work this AM.
In short your initial objective was to reminds folks to check in on the new folks (i.e. new faces) and don’t just dwell in your established patch of 200+ followers and/or the folks you’re following - totally agree with this. And for the most part a lot people on this site do reach out to new people. I see folks with 1000+ followers commenting on new faces from time to time. I think their aim is to provide feedback and I hope it’s not just to gain new subscribers – feed da ego. There are some fascinating photos popping up on the “New Faces” that do indeed deserve a look. If I’m wrong about this objective let me know. I commend the young folks (teens and such) for taking up photography and trying to do their best with the gear they got. You never know if the feedback you give them may help them achieve their goals with photography – perhaps help set a career direction.
I chimed in since the discussion started talking about photos that folks desired some input on but never got it for a variety of reasons – call them the forgotten or lost photos. BTW, these are photos where people spent a considerable amount of time/effort putting a shot together. Therefore tags were suggested such as “critique me”, “lost photo” etc. I don’t see any issue with this since some people on 365 want feedback with regards to their photography skill-set. They want to improve. I know I do.
Others chimed in and indicated that they don’t want to be guilted into having to write critiques for others since they got a very busy lifestyle – like most of us. Others feel the comments (or fan base) they currently have was “earned” by producing interesting shots. This is all fine & dandy and indeed somewhat true. The interesting shots do indeed attract attention. There are so many gifted folks on this site. The Troll responses just don’t make sense to me. I don’t think anyone is trying to force following people whose photos do not appeal to you. That’s nuts. I only follow folks that have shots I like. If someone is only going to post three shots a month I won’t follow them or if they take a picture of their Canary everyday using a different angle or f/stop I probably won’t follow them either.
I think in the end, you just wanted to remind people to check in on the “new faces”- not force following folks for the heck of it. I still would like a tag to “critical critiques” as I would like to get feedback from established photographers (folks and do this for a living) or have made significant leaps in photography and have the photos to prove. I actually pay Pros for this advice via classes.
So in summary:
1) Check in on new people from time to time. There are talented people out there joining this site everyday.
2) Perhaps we should create a “tag” for photos folks want critiqued – the photos that got overlooked. If the true intend is a critique and not just “follower hunting” this is a good idea. And BTW, the definition of a “critique” needs to clarified. The critiques from the classes I’ve taken would scare away most people away here; however they are coming from Pros with 30+ years experience. – just a thought.
3) Trolling or anything related to "trolling" is not the desired result.
That’s all I gotta say about this thread. If you got ideas on how to execute any of this I’ll listen. Hope some of this sheds some light on the original intent – IMO.
Cheers.... Brian
@brianl Thank you for taking the time to write this and putso much thought into it. I just wanted to be part of the 365 community and help those that are new or discouraged. Your ideas are great. Is there a newbie "how to get started" guide anywhere that maybe I have missed? Maybe that explains that u have to put inthe time and follow/comment and establish yourself? So many have told me they have no clue what to do when they first start. Anyways, thanks again
@superbeyotch Yeah your 100% right. I didn't know what was going on when I started but I kept on posting. I recall people saying found you on the PP. I didn't know what they were talking about. I figured it out eventually.
i don't know of any getting started post. Good idea you have.
@superbeyotch Here's a great guide written by Shades of Grey. There's a section on "How do you get people to follow you?" that would interest a lot of new members.
I agree with @flagged
But also wanted to add that this time of year is often quite slow and over time the number of comment's fluctuate. The beginning of the year is always very busy. I have been a bit slack on the comment front recently due to some personal stuff I have going on and the number of comments I get has definitely dropped, this doesn't worry me as I understand it is because I have been slack on my side.
Don't be disheartened about followers dropping off, unised accounts are cleared off the site regularly so often this is the reason for a drop in followers.
Chris, I think you're right though. I've read reviews on 365 saying how this community is really welcoming and supportive and stuff, but when I joined I was like "Where is everybody?!". But then when I look at the latest photos and such, and start commenting on other's photos, I realize that sometimes they also take a look at my photographs and comment. I saw that this community actually is supportive! To get involved with the community you have to show others that you appreciate their work also. But I do know what you mean by not getting any views after your hard work. But it's just a two way thing. But I'll go have a look at the new comers and welcome them! Hehe :)
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1. Participate in as much as your time allows.
2. Don't talk about fight club (or should this be No 1?)
Also you need to look at this site as an opportunity to improve your photography skills, I have plenty of images that I know are boring and might only get a handful of views and 1 or 2 comments but thats the way it works, yes you can take that shot of the month and get the gratification of having high views/favs PP or even top twenty if you lucky enough.
But If you are here only for that you will be disapointed, if you had started this thread off with an image that had low views and said "critque please" you may have found a few followers that like your style.
Writing something that you may see as a little tongue in check can offten be read as sarcasm and responed to in that tone.
What this person said!
@chewyteeth @flagged
What they just said!
@flagged @chewyteeth @38mm
In short your initial objective was to reminds folks to check in on the new folks (i.e. new faces) and don’t just dwell in your established patch of 200+ followers and/or the folks you’re following - totally agree with this. And for the most part a lot people on this site do reach out to new people. I see folks with 1000+ followers commenting on new faces from time to time. I think their aim is to provide feedback and I hope it’s not just to gain new subscribers – feed da ego. There are some fascinating photos popping up on the “New Faces” that do indeed deserve a look. If I’m wrong about this objective let me know. I commend the young folks (teens and such) for taking up photography and trying to do their best with the gear they got. You never know if the feedback you give them may help them achieve their goals with photography – perhaps help set a career direction.
I chimed in since the discussion started talking about photos that folks desired some input on but never got it for a variety of reasons – call them the forgotten or lost photos. BTW, these are photos where people spent a considerable amount of time/effort putting a shot together. Therefore tags were suggested such as “critique me”, “lost photo” etc. I don’t see any issue with this since some people on 365 want feedback with regards to their photography skill-set. They want to improve. I know I do.
Others chimed in and indicated that they don’t want to be guilted into having to write critiques for others since they got a very busy lifestyle – like most of us. Others feel the comments (or fan base) they currently have was “earned” by producing interesting shots. This is all fine & dandy and indeed somewhat true. The interesting shots do indeed attract attention. There are so many gifted folks on this site. The Troll responses just don’t make sense to me. I don’t think anyone is trying to force following people whose photos do not appeal to you. That’s nuts. I only follow folks that have shots I like. If someone is only going to post three shots a month I won’t follow them or if they take a picture of their Canary everyday using a different angle or f/stop I probably won’t follow them either.
I think in the end, you just wanted to remind people to check in on the “new faces”- not force following folks for the heck of it. I still would like a tag to “critical critiques” as I would like to get feedback from established photographers (folks and do this for a living) or have made significant leaps in photography and have the photos to prove. I actually pay Pros for this advice via classes.
So in summary:
1) Check in on new people from time to time. There are talented people out there joining this site everyday.
2) Perhaps we should create a “tag” for photos folks want critiqued – the photos that got overlooked. If the true intend is a critique and not just “follower hunting” this is a good idea. And BTW, the definition of a “critique” needs to clarified. The critiques from the classes I’ve taken would scare away most people away here; however they are coming from Pros with 30+ years experience. – just a thought.
3) Trolling or anything related to "trolling" is not the desired result.
That’s all I gotta say about this thread. If you got ideas on how to execute any of this I’ll listen. Hope some of this sheds some light on the original intent – IMO.
Cheers.... Brian
i don't know of any getting started post. Good idea you have.
http://365project.org/discuss/general/9968/getting-started-guide-for-new-users
But also wanted to add that this time of year is often quite slow and over time the number of comment's fluctuate. The beginning of the year is always very busy. I have been a bit slack on the comment front recently due to some personal stuff I have going on and the number of comments I get has definitely dropped, this doesn't worry me as I understand it is because I have been slack on my side.
Don't be disheartened about followers dropping off, unised accounts are cleared off the site regularly so often this is the reason for a drop in followers.