I've noticed this past year that whenever there is a photo post of a nude or partially nude man, there seems to be fewer comments and more people offended; however, whenever a woman posts a nude or semi-nude photo, nobody seems to be offended at all. In fact, it usually makes it to the popular page (go figure). It seems a little biased to me--especially since this site seems to have WAY more women than men on it.
Thoughts?
My thoughts are your thoughts. I noticed that awhile back..actually to add insult to myself..I noticed it when I posted not a nude but a "hello boob" type shot for breast cancer and got insane amount of attention yet a guy did one that I faved and he got almost nothing...seemed a little misguiding of the point of the photos..they were for the same cause and his professionally was better then mine.... Is a tad biased.
Personally, I find the female body more attractive, but I am not offended by the men. I think when I see either here, I usually don't comment. It's not that I don't like them, I just don't know what to say. :)
@mjmama Well, that's kind of sad. I've seen a handful of really gorgeous artistic shots of men on this site and they got very little recognition. Kind of unfair. @meggageg I beg to differ! lol
@clarissajohal LOL true. I'll have to be more imaginative next time. When I took my photography classes in college in 2001, and 2003, the younger people in class mainly managed to get nudies. It was so funny...we all would hang our best work of the week up (hey, not very diffirent from here in a way) and we would discuss and critique each other's work. It was always fun when we would get to the naked photos...the guys would start asking how did you get her to do it? Did you have to take your clothes off too? Seriously they were just trying to figure out how to make a model comfortable, but the questions were HILARIOUS! No selfies....I think it would be difficult for almost anyone to hang their own nudies up and wait for critique....oh my!
@mjmama Haha--that's what started me thinking about this, actually. I went to his photos--very few comments but a ton of views. Well, guess I didn't comment either but that was because I commented on the thread.
@sdpace LOL. That is what I wanted to say, but I'm no good at being so blunt.
I hope this isn't too thread hi-jacky, but I've also noticed (not here, but on other sites) that people are also uncomfortable by breastfeeding pictures.
@clarissajohal i have a nude selfie's in one of my site . i just learned that this is not a place for those "EXTREME nude photos" . but IM NOT against it ..... im one of those people who suppported some NUDES discussion here. i remember the last time i participated in the thread, and the girl deleted her account ...etc..etc...
by the way the the nude selfie of Joseph Donnelly was in POPULAR PAGE NOW.... just an FYI ....
peace no pun intended...♥
@gavincci I remember that. I wouldn't post a nudie of myself on here, but I'm not against it at all. Skin is skin.
Really? Well, good for Joseph, then!
Where the hell am I when all these men are posting nudes of themselves??
I guess I need to follow more men..... lmao
At the moment for me,, if you are posting a flower or a nude.. Im unlikely to post a comment. due to burning the candle at both ends and being really busy...
@nikkers You're off playing with your Barbies, silly girl. @lislee75 I fave'd both of these when he did them--they're pretty awesome, aren't they? @webfoot Hmmm, interesting. Maybe it's because people are clicking through the photos looking for nudes right now. lol
It was interesting reading all the comments. It seems that many are uncomfortable reposnding top the nude art photos, not knowing what to say. The ones I've come across on here have been mostly artistic in nature, nothing that I would consider out of line. I realize that many do not like the topic at all, and they stay away from it completely, and that's ok. When you look back through history, thre have been many nude painings, and they are masterpieces. Unfortunately, because of the perversity of some individuals throughout history, and the terrible results of their behaviors, I think our society has a difficult differentiating between the artistic side and the perverse side. If nude shots are done tastefully with art being the motivator, I do not see anything wrong with it, and I do not mind commenting. I think you can tell when it crosses the line. The human physique can be very beautiful.
i understand what you mean completely. my only point of contention is that minors have access to this site. most of the boob side shots are close to what you can see popping out of women's shirts most days. i have no problems with booties, partial breasts, or nude shots if things are covered. i just don't care to see women's nipples or men's..um..testicles. ((sorry felt weird typing that in a public forum)). again, i love a tasteful shot, and if you're talking about the one posted earlier today, i liked the first one. but the other 2 where his junk was showing was inappropriate to me.
@andiejaye .
I believe that when children are viewing ANY adult site it should be under the supervision of an adult. That way they can censor any content that may be viewed..
I have lived in Australia, Europe and now the States, and I have found that most (not all) people that I have come in contact whilst living in the States have hang ups about nude art..
@digitalrn ; I think that people here in the states just take things WAY to far..
Where I work when we do community activities.. .I.E block party , summer parardes etc,, we cant even put tattoos on the children even with a parent standing by.. because last year 1 person called and complained that the person who put the tattoo on their kid.. got too close.... what the hell !! should they have stood 10 feet away, if you dont wont your child touched by ANYONE but you, then DONT stand in line for 10 minutes, let someone put the damn tattoo on and then walk away and complain!!! idiot!!
People in the States are VERY hung up over nudes etc, and if you are letting children look at this site, then you need to be sitting beside them to censor what they see..
@5unflow3r getting a model to work with you in the nude is an art... you are often taking everything they HATE about their bodies and showing it to the world...
as to North America getting used to male nudity... there has been a trend of male nudity for shock value in a large number of films over the past five years... ie Hall Pass... an other films/cable like HBO have been offering up shows with almost weekly male nudity with as much or sometimes more screen time than female nudity... so it is changing...
I often don't comment of nudity because frankly it feels forced or only for shock value... in highschool I painted Lady Liberty Leads the People on the hallway wall at school... I did an ok job... and no one really noticed or commented to me....the fellow who after I was done added the white-out nipples... he added the shock value...and the school tried to paint over it... but my art teacher refused....
Another theory may be that women have no problem complimenting each other's pics whereas guys don't want to look gay if they comment on another dude's nude pic.
@digitalrn Well said. I knew I could count on you for that. @andiejaye I understand where you're coming from. I've told my kiddos if they are on this site to be prepared for anything. At this age, they think photos of nude anything are just gross, oddly enough. Hopefully, parents will understand that this is a public forum and take a peek at what their kids are looking at now and again (as with any website). One of my followers likes to post nude women in various states of bondage now and again. Artistic yes, but his photos would require some explaining on my part should my kiddos come across them. @nikkers Ken's a Harlot. And I agree, Nikki. Out of all the countries I've been to and lived in, America ABSOLUTELY has the most hang-ups about nudity and sex. But we were settled by Puritans, so there you go. Old habits die hard. @eyebrows Well said. Personally, I would go with explanation #1. But that's me. @marinda I find that men that are "out of the closet" get many more comments (from women) on their nude photos than a nude photo from a man that isn't. What's that all about? Very weird.
I don't really mind either gender being nude on here but I won't comment unless I talk to the person regularly. Otherwise it's just kinda awkward... "nice rack"?
personally, i think a nude form is a nude form and if you get offend by the nude form, then you don't look at yourself in the shower, you have never seen the beauty that you keep hidden from the world in bright flashes of the latest fashion. You have never looked at your signification other and thought they were beautiful only if they keep their clothes on. people are beautiful no mater what creed, color, age, ability, width, height, religious background, sexual orientation, or gender. that is my stand on the subject thank you for listening.
I started the http://365project.org/discuss/themes-competitions/7145/nude-selfie theme and posted three photos of myself. Two people objected to the photos so I decided to remove them although the thread is still there.
I was only trying to be artistic and never meant to offend anyone, but maybe this is not the place for such content, even if it is edited to black-out any offending parts.
@gavincci posted in my thread and I feel I let him and the others down by removing my pics but it felt like the right thing to do. Reading this thread though, maybe I acted too soon. Who knows.
Thanks @elke for telling me about this thread and your support on the topic.
This is a very interesting thread, to hear the varying points of people from different walks of life. Where I live (Paris, France), nude art is everywhere. Culture-wise, It is accepted and appreciated as it is. I have a handful shots of nude art like statues in public places where they are easily accesible to be photographed. Here are 3 photos I uploaded on 365. For sure kids have seen these statues here and I don't think I will tell my child not to stare at them because they are obscene. Sorry, but this is where I come from. :-)
@jdonnelly Thanks, Joseph. Oh yeah, you should come and visit. :-)
Hats off to you, great job on your selfies! I haven't followed the thread why you removed the photos but I understand your concern. Go for what makes you feel comfortable. Cheers!
@jdonnelly You didn't let anyone down, you were trying to be respectful in a public forum. Art, in this case, photographic art, is supposed to make people think and discuss!! My initial question in this thread was asking why (in my opinion) people on 365 seemed biased when it came to male vs.female nudity.
@bugik Nudity isn't a bad thing in Europe - here we have nude beaches, which I suppose are more for men... and then regular beaches where women go topless anyway. In front of children. Without angry or offended parents.
@andiejaye - If you don't like them, don't look at them. It's that simple. Nudity can be tasteful, even if it includes nipples or testicles. Are you one of those anti-breastfeeding photo people, as well? Or is that a case where nipples are acceptable? Offended by a picture of a naked baby moments after birth? We all have bodies, there's not a single reason to be ashamed of, offended by, or embarrassed about them. Also, it's a parent's responsibility to know what their minor is viewing on the computer, not any of ours to police websites that don't have an anti-nudity clause in their TOS.
@indiannie_jones My husband and I were talking about that and how we think America is just full of prudes :P I can be one of them, so I can understand, but I tryyyyy to be more openminded.
I think nude photos have a place, they are art. Nudes make it on the popular page because everybody is curious. This is human nature, to check out what the other guy/girls got. People don't comment because they don't want to be judged. Its easier to appreciate it and not comment, as there is no reprecussions.
Once established I myself would like to take portraits capturing the beauty of a woman. However each women feels may be very different about themselves. So, some could be glamour shots, some sexy shots, the rocker ones, educated professional woman, victorian, sporty, authoritive, motherly woman. The essence of a woman, who they are /
I myself don't want to take nude pics, as I think a photo can be taste full with clothes - (on except of course nude statues.)
BUT
I feel strongly that children's private areas should not be in a photo, except the few that you keep in the baby album. I know there cute and innocent, but we need to protect our children.
@jessicaelaine i see that you are new to the project, so perhaps you don’t know that personal slamming is not how we tend to do things on this site. i don’t have anything against breastfeeding and we have several pictures of me nursing my son. i actually did extended nursing with my son until he was 26 months old. you are taking my words and turning them around. i NEVER said that i didn’t approve of nudity in art…there are many on here that are done tastefully without showing naughty bits. i simply said that due to the many minors involved in the project, i don’t think that intimate details of the human body should be portrayed. yes, in an ideal world, parents should be monitoring what their child does online… **le sigh** at any rate, i could go on, but i won’t. it’s not respectful to clarissa who started the thread and there’s no point in have a battle of words over something that’s a matter of opinion. i wish you the best of luck on your project.
Thsi topic interests me too... I am very keen to try some 'serious' nude photography, as it's damn hard to do well. A friend of mine has offered to pose nude for me int he next few weeks & we're busy comign up with ideas for the shoot. However, I'd be gutted if people felt the shots shouldn't be shown on the site, as I've gained so much inspiration from others doing the same thing as part of their 365.
@missvicki Agreed, children are completely off-limits, especially on a public site such as this one. There are creeps out there. @jessicaelaine@andiejaye Well said, Andie. I wasn't sure how to respond. Everyone is allowed opinions and we aren't here to attack each other. I know you a bit better than Jessica does because I've been following you/your Blog for a while now. Sometimes words can be misunderstood when you type them. C'mon, you guys--I'll make you do what I do with my kiddos when they disagree and misunderstand each other--BIG HUG. Maybe you need to follow each other so you get to know each other a bit better(?)
Jessica, Andie; Andie, Jessica. Both of you have families that you love, so you have that in common already!
@timtam_adams Every 3 months or so, a photographer will "push the envelope," so to speak, on this site. What I see is that privates are kind of frowned upon, people do seem to get offended. Post what you post and see what happens. You can always post a PG-13 version of the photo and set up a link to the "other" version. That way, nobody can complain.
@indiannie_jones Same thoughts here... though the reason I did not globalize the entirety of Europe was to avoid unpleasant arguments and reactions of people on here (if you know what I mean). I had the chance to travel to most European countries but this subject was the least that came to my mind during my visits, nor did I care, so I cannot speak for everybody. :-)
Oh, yes we have beaches for naturalists (the nakeds) here too, down South of France but they are of course exclusive only to the ceritified (men, women, families). Must be interesting to pretend as one of them and take photos for the sake of art? Ha ha
Perhaps it has more to do with a social stigma. Nudity in most artistic forms (movies, photographs, sculptures, etc) is of the female body. Very limited pieces are actually of nude males and the few that are, are well known. It has even become somewhat taboo to showcase the male form because of societal "hang-ups", for lack of a better word. Anyone recall the great "fig leaf" crusade?
That being said, if the subject of the photograph is nude, the gender of the individual does not matter. The lines, form, flow, depth of field, texture and lighting should be what a person notices first and the bare human form second.
Basically, the subject model should either meet the points that society deems as acceptable (gender, size, build, etc) or society will deem it offensive. Society today does not look at art for art's sake... and that is just sad.
There was a girl on here a few months ago complaining about a photo she had seen of a male nude that showed part of the head. She didn't get the response that she wanted and ended up deleting her whole account over it.
Here's my stance on the subject, art is art. Nudes are art when done tastefully. I have yet to see a photo on here of a nude not done tastefully. No one on here is deliberately trying to make porn and none of the photos come off that way either.
If nudes are allowed in sculpture form, why not in photography?
I've been watching this thread for a while and I think I finally have something to add.....
Ok, so I am into "pinup" I love the classy stuff where the girls where some clothing or at least are covered with objects. A lot of people have the wrong impression, so they get huffy puffy when I mention the word "pinup".
On the other hand you can go to nearly any art gallery where children are allowed and find complete nudes.
It is a matter of taste and preference, its a matter of religion and upbringing. No one person is ever going to be correct on the matter so opinion is what we have.
Throughout history nudity in art forms has been well accepted (even by the catholic church, look at the work they commissioned in the past) only now when we are more willing to shed the inches on our clothing in public are we becoming more censored in our art.
Art in all of its forms does not appeal to every person, we all have preferences. nudity in itself in art is not a negative, it is the mind that views it that adorns it that stigma.
That being said... I love art and I can only hope that our censored minds can open to the truly creative. After all..... aren't each of us a piece of art?
I apologize if I have offended anyone as it is not my intention.
(as far as the bias, it is unfair and cruel to critizoe one gender and allow the other. And in all honesty I don't think negative comments have a place on here. yes we critique but that is not the same... a critique is advice a comment is more an opinion.)
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Or maybe a naked man (who is a stranger) could be seen as threatening to some women, but a naked woman would not be threatening to other women.
I don't feel that way, and I'm just guessing at how others may feel.
@meggageg I beg to differ! lol
this one?
Brave, brilliant and a very important message!
I hope this isn't too thread hi-jacky, but I've also noticed (not here, but on other sites) that people are also uncomfortable by breastfeeding pictures.
@sdpace yeah, totally.... btw i just shared a photo in the thread ..... ♥
by the way the the nude selfie of Joseph Donnelly was in POPULAR PAGE NOW.... just an FYI ....
peace no pun intended...♥
Really? Well, good for Joseph, then!
I guess I need to follow more men..... lmao
At the moment for me,, if you are posting a flower or a nude.. Im unlikely to post a comment. due to burning the candle at both ends and being really busy...
@lislee75 I fave'd both of these when he did them--they're pretty awesome, aren't they?
@webfoot Hmmm, interesting. Maybe it's because people are clicking through the photos looking for nudes right now. lol
I believe that when children are viewing ANY adult site it should be under the supervision of an adult. That way they can censor any content that may be viewed..
I have lived in Australia, Europe and now the States, and I have found that most (not all) people that I have come in contact whilst living in the States have hang ups about nude art..
Where I work when we do community activities.. .I.E block party , summer parardes etc,, we cant even put tattoos on the children even with a parent standing by.. because last year 1 person called and complained that the person who put the tattoo on their kid.. got too close.... what the hell !! should they have stood 10 feet away, if you dont wont your child touched by ANYONE but you, then DONT stand in line for 10 minutes, let someone put the damn tattoo on and then walk away and complain!!! idiot!!
People in the States are VERY hung up over nudes etc, and if you are letting children look at this site, then you need to be sitting beside them to censor what they see..
as to North America getting used to male nudity... there has been a trend of male nudity for shock value in a large number of films over the past five years... ie Hall Pass... an other films/cable like HBO have been offering up shows with almost weekly male nudity with as much or sometimes more screen time than female nudity... so it is changing...
I often don't comment of nudity because frankly it feels forced or only for shock value... in highschool I painted Lady Liberty Leads the People on the hallway wall at school... I did an ok job... and no one really noticed or commented to me....the fellow who after I was done added the white-out nipples... he added the shock value...and the school tried to paint over it... but my art teacher refused....
but I am off topic...
Second explanation: the female form's just inherently nicer to look at.
It's one of them, but I can't decide which! :P
I completely agree!
Another theory may be that women have no problem complimenting each other's pics whereas guys don't want to look gay if they comment on another dude's nude pic.
I was only trying to be artistic and never meant to offend anyone, but maybe this is not the place for such content, even if it is edited to black-out any offending parts.
@gavincci posted in my thread and I feel I let him and the others down by removing my pics but it felt like the right thing to do. Reading this thread though, maybe I acted too soon. Who knows.
Thanks @elke for telling me about this thread and your support on the topic.
Hats off to you, great job on your selfies! I haven't followed the thread why you removed the photos but I understand your concern. Go for what makes you feel comfortable. Cheers!
Europe is rad like that.
:D
Once established I myself would like to take portraits capturing the beauty of a woman. However each women feels may be very different about themselves. So, some could be glamour shots, some sexy shots, the rocker ones, educated professional woman, victorian, sporty, authoritive, motherly woman. The essence of a woman, who they are /
I myself don't want to take nude pics, as I think a photo can be taste full with clothes - (on except of course nude statues.)
BUT
I feel strongly that children's private areas should not be in a photo, except the few that you keep in the baby album. I know there cute and innocent, but we need to protect our children.
@jessicaelaine @andiejaye Well said, Andie. I wasn't sure how to respond. Everyone is allowed opinions and we aren't here to attack each other. I know you a bit better than Jessica does because I've been following you/your Blog for a while now. Sometimes words can be misunderstood when you type them. C'mon, you guys--I'll make you do what I do with my kiddos when they disagree and misunderstand each other--BIG HUG. Maybe you need to follow each other so you get to know each other a bit better(?)
Jessica, Andie; Andie, Jessica. Both of you have families that you love, so you have that in common already!
Oh, yes we have beaches for naturalists (the nakeds) here too, down South of France but they are of course exclusive only to the ceritified (men, women, families). Must be interesting to pretend as one of them and take photos for the sake of art? Ha ha
Have a great Sunday!
Same to you :)
That being said, if the subject of the photograph is nude, the gender of the individual does not matter. The lines, form, flow, depth of field, texture and lighting should be what a person notices first and the bare human form second.
Basically, the subject model should either meet the points that society deems as acceptable (gender, size, build, etc) or society will deem it offensive. Society today does not look at art for art's sake... and that is just sad.
Here's my stance on the subject, art is art. Nudes are art when done tastefully. I have yet to see a photo on here of a nude not done tastefully. No one on here is deliberately trying to make porn and none of the photos come off that way either.
If nudes are allowed in sculpture form, why not in photography?
Ok, so I am into "pinup" I love the classy stuff where the girls where some clothing or at least are covered with objects. A lot of people have the wrong impression, so they get huffy puffy when I mention the word "pinup".
On the other hand you can go to nearly any art gallery where children are allowed and find complete nudes.
It is a matter of taste and preference, its a matter of religion and upbringing. No one person is ever going to be correct on the matter so opinion is what we have.
Throughout history nudity in art forms has been well accepted (even by the catholic church, look at the work they commissioned in the past) only now when we are more willing to shed the inches on our clothing in public are we becoming more censored in our art.
Art in all of its forms does not appeal to every person, we all have preferences. nudity in itself in art is not a negative, it is the mind that views it that adorns it that stigma.
That being said... I love art and I can only hope that our censored minds can open to the truly creative. After all..... aren't each of us a piece of art?
I apologize if I have offended anyone as it is not my intention.
(as far as the bias, it is unfair and cruel to critizoe one gender and allow the other. And in all honesty I don't think negative comments have a place on here. yes we critique but that is not the same... a critique is advice a comment is more an opinion.)