Saving edited photos as a TIFF file instead of JPEG

posted July 23rd, 2012
So reading my Rebel T2i book for dummies I came across something that I have never heard of and have a question about. It says after editing your photos you should save them as a TIFF file instead of a JPEG file because saving as a JPEG decreases the quality somewhat. Hmmmmm....Learning something new every day :)
My question is if there is anyone that has any knowledge regarding this, Do photo processing places take TIFF files? Do they process your prints just the same. Does it matter what type of file it is? Thanks so much for any responses :)
posted July 23rd, 2012
Here's info on jpeg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JPEG
Here's info on TIFF http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tagged_Image_File_Format

For the most part you're good with Jpeg and won't notice any significant difference between the two. If you're printing poster size you may see a lost of clarity/sharpness with jpeg. Also TIFF files are huge compared to jpeg so disk space is something to consider. I see your camera shoots in RAW (another format). I would suggest studying this and consider someday shooting in RAW and then converting to jpeg or tiff, etc. Once you've figured out RAW you can do more with photos in the digital darkroom. Hope this helps. brian
posted July 24th, 2012
What application do you use to edit/process your photos Chris?
posted July 24th, 2012
Echoing @brianl TIFF is sorta between the concept of a jpeg and a RAW file. JPG are easy to work with in terms of processing but you can lose quite a bit of information, and as a result can't manipulate it easily. The other end of the spectrum is RAW, where you have to manipulate it with programs like Adobe RAW to make it viewable. However, the RAW file contains all of the data that the camera captured at that moment, giving you much more precision in terms of processing later. A TIFF file is like a RAW file in terms of a lot of data, and like a JPG file where most applications recognize it right away.

Having said all of that, saving as a TIFF means more data, bigger files in terms of size, which means fewer images to save on your camera and longer to work with them. Hope this helps!
posted July 24th, 2012
@emsabh @jonesp Thanks Art. It does help. I am just still wondering if I am doing photos for friends and family and they want to have prints made up, does it really matter which one its saved at? I just want their quality to be good if they choose to do, say a 8x10. Paul: I use Picmonkey alot and windows live photo gallery just because its easy if I am doing simple cropping and such. I have photo elements 10 but it still scares me. LOL Kinda hoping that saving them in jpeg is gonna be just fine :) I have enough to learn..LOL
posted July 24th, 2012
@brianl Thanks Brian. I am farely new and will definitely look into shooting in RAW down the line. There is just so much to learn and retain that I think that will be a bit down the road for me. :)
posted July 24th, 2012
@superbeyotch Sorry, but the answer probably is "it depends". If the file is big enough (in terms of MB) you can get to the size of an 8x10 or higher. Here is a quickie article: http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/cameras-photography/digital/how-to-calculate-image-size-and-ppi-when-printing.htm
posted July 24th, 2012
@superbeyotch you'll be fine with jpeg. Just make sure if your camera has a fine or "super fine" setting that you set it as high as you can go before RAW or tiff, etc. I've only used Tiff format (on request) in publications where they required the most detail. BTW, tonight I had to convert about 100 RAW images that were 24mb in size. After conversion (without enabling compression on the Tiff file) each photo now is 115mb- big difference.
Down the road eventually learn about what RAW format is all about. You can do more with it but you have to learn how to "develop" such files into the pictures you want. A program like photoshop elements or lightroom is a good app for managing RAW. For now stick with your jpeg. Cheers.
posted July 24th, 2012
I have to say, I tend to shoot raw, delete the rubbish shots, save as TIFF then manipulate (not that I do much of that, to be honest), and finally save as JPEG when it's how I want. 99% of the time, that's probably overkill, though it has made me, I think, more selective about what I'm keeping, due to the space requirements. I've a gut feeling that if I shot as JPEG, I'd leave a lot (more!) crud on the system, as it'll fit.
posted July 24th, 2012
I would agree with Brian. Unless you are going pro, then stick with the workflow that suits you, and if that's JPEG, that's fine. As suggested, make sure the camera is set to 'large fine' mode in the image size settings, and also make sure that when you save a JPEG after working on it, you make sure the quality is set to maximum (there's typically a slider or a number you can set in your photo software).

JPEG will lose quality if you keep editing and resaving, but for most people, they will edit the photo once or maybe twice after taking it, and you will not realistically detect any meaningful loss by doing that. By the time you have loaded, edited and saved the same file 10 times, you would start to see some loss if you examined it carefully.

Your camera has a very high-resolution and high-quality sensor, and with a genuinely sharp photo with minimal cropping, I would have no hesitation in printing at sizes up to 30"x20" on paper, or even larger on canvas, regardless of if you shoot in JPEG or RAW, or save in JPEG or TIFF. If your photo has motion blur or is slightly out of focus (both relatively common for beginner photographers) you would have to go smaller, and determine that by the level of lost sharpness, but for most reasonable photos you should be absolutely fine at 8"x10".

There are certainly benefits to shooting in RAW, and processing and saving files using lossless formats (either TIFF or Photoshop's own lossless format, PSD), and once you get comfortable with the camera you may wish to experiment with these and determine if they're worth it for you -- but there's certainly no need to feel like it's 'yet another thing you need to learn', and many photographers decide the hassle isn't worth it, and stick with JPEG.
posted July 24th, 2012
I used to use windows live photo gallery for its ease of use until I noticed that the quality, especially when sharpening and reducing noise was terrible. I started using PhotoScape, it's a lot better in terms of quality and is equally easy to use :)
posted July 24th, 2012
@abirkill @darrenellis @emmadw @brianl @emsabh @emsabh Thank you all for responding! Just another reason why I love this site! I do have my camera set to Large, just right below RAW and I do save them as the highest quality if I am going to be doing any printing. I will just stick to jpeg for now and take a look at shooting raw when I am more familiar with my camera and it's settings. (Good to know you affect the quality of a photo if you open and save it alot of times) I really appreciate all of your guys' help! :)
posted December 3rd, 2012
@abirkill @darrenellis @emmadw @brianl @emsabh @emsabh
I am having a similar issue.
I gave a friend some images on a disc. She is trying to have them printed as 12x18. It is suggesting that they need to be reformatted for the larger print size. What did I do wrong and how do I reformat for a larger print size?
posted December 3rd, 2012
@btorrey Look at the file size of the images you sent to your friend. If they are less than 120K in size, they probably contain too few pixels to enlarge to 12x18.

WHen you take your photos, and first save them to a computer, what size are they? If they are the same small size as the ones you sent, you will need to change the resolution of the images you take. I see from your last photo:

File Name: Believe.jpg
File Size: 166 KB
Image Width: 315 px
Image Height: 470 px

This is pretty small; your computer screen will render this nicely, but only because it only resolves ("sees") at 72 dots per inch, or DPI. In contrast printers will start printing clearly at 300 dpi or bigger. That would explain why an image on a screen looks great but cannot be duplicated large on paper.

Your camera can be adjusted to take pictures at greater resolution, including TIFF and RAW (see the top part of this thread for more info). TIFF files are much bigger, but they contain more pixels and can be blown up quite larger, like a 12x18. RAW would need to be converted but it contains even more information.

Hope this helps!
posted December 3rd, 2012
Hi Art,
Here is the size of one of the photos right from my camera. Is this large enough? If so, how do I get it to my friend so she can have it printed?
6.3 MB
5184x3456
I already deleted Believe from my camera but am assuming it started out larger and I did something along the way to cause it to be small.
I really appreciate your help!
posted December 20th, 2017
With the image open in Photoshop, select Fileright-arrowSave As.
A dialog box will appear. Type the desired file name, then choose a location for the file. You'll want to use a new file name to avoid accidentally overwriting the original file.
Click the Format menu and choose the desired file format. In our example, we'll save this image as a JPEG file. If you're saving as a PSD file, make sure the Layers option is checked. However, most other formats won't allow you to select this option.
Click Save.
Some file formats, such as JPEG and TIFF, will give you additional options when saving. Select the desired quality level, then click OK to save the image.
If you've already saved your project as a PSD file, you can select Fileright-arrowSave or press Ctrl+S (Command+S on a Mac) to save your progress at any time. However, if you're working with another format such as JPEG, we recommend using Save As to avoid overwriting your original file.
Open the example file in Photoshop and then try saving in different file formats, such as PSD and JPEG. Notice how the PSD format preserves the individual layers, while the JPEG format does not.
You can also get some image editors from Tutuapp.vip
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