Child Photos ... what is your opinion?

December 7th, 2010
My hubby is unhappy when I post pics of kids we know, and he's not alone! My best friend does not give permission for me to post pix of her son here, because anyone can see them. This brings me to my question: Who all can see the pictures posted here? And are our kids safe if we post pictures of them here?

I hate that I even have to ask this question; but with the way things are these days, it would be remiss of me not to ask. On the other hand, leaving my kids out of pictures would severely alter and limit the point of my 365 project. So what is your opinion on this? Do you post them or not, and why or why not?

Thanks for your input.
December 7th, 2010
Ugh, this is very difficult. Anyone who has internet access can find this site and see the kids, but it's up to the individual parents, I guess. I surely trust our community but as I said, ANYONE can access 365.

I've posted a few shots, WITH PERMISSION FROM PARENTS, of my nephew and a friend's kid but they don't give too much away. At the same time, I can appreciate that it wouldn't feel right to keep your own child out of something so personal... but perhaps you'd feel better about including them in such a way that their faces are left out, thus protecting their identity. A lot of people post blurry faces or just bodies, so you're not the only one worrying.
December 7th, 2010
The world is full of creeps of all ages that have internet access and get off by looking at all kind of strangers,of all ages.
With allmost seven billion people on the planet,you are never safe,and the internet strips you away from privacy,to a certain extent.
I don`t think you should worry too much about kids photos,but I would allways ask permission first,even if they are kids.
The only dangerious/stupid thing is to post a photo with your full adress on it,and I`ve seen at least two people that did that,on this website.
December 7th, 2010
It will harm them how?
December 7th, 2010
I always have permission from the parents of the kids I've taken pictures of. I never identify them past first name or nickname.
December 7th, 2010
I'm with Barry on this one.....how does a photo hurt the child? I've posted a couple of my nephew on here - I struggle to see how his face without name or adress could cause harm,
December 7th, 2010
@rossco088 @barrymikhal

I think it's more about someone saving the picture and doing whatever it is they do with them :/ it's just uncomfortable for some people.
December 7th, 2010
I'm with @barrymikhal too... but then, what photos are you wanting to post? Your clothed kids playing in the garden, or your kids naked in the bath? I've seen people posting the latter on here, which does disgust me, but kids in general disgust me so hey ho.

Posting the latter would be inviting such activities as you fear (and would be disgusting) so is probably best avoided.

It's hugely unlikely anyone nefarious would stumble across a particular innocent photo of a kid and decide to entertain themselves looking at it, though... and even if they did, you'd never know about it anyway.
December 7th, 2010
@indiannie_jones

So you're suggeting people are going to save the photos and what? edit them in a bizare manner for "misuse"? Sounds more like paranoia than any anything else.

December 7th, 2010
@barrymikhal @rossco088

One doesn't know how photos might be misused. It's hard to have to think about it, but when stories on the news bring up the subject, then there it is.
December 7th, 2010
@rossco088 IDK what people do but I do understand that people might want to protect their kid as best they can and if that means hiding their face, I respect that.
December 7th, 2010
I post my own kid . . . wouldn't post anyone else's without permission though, not because I think there is really any danger, but because I know some people are squeamish about it (whether reasonable or not . . . ) . . . now I'm going to post more pics of my own kid, though, just to offend @eyebrows! LOL!
December 7th, 2010
Interesting subject and one that keeps coming up. My only problem with this site is pictures can be downloaded to anyone's pc anywhere. So just keep that in mind as you are posting your pictures.

As far as your kids are concerned, you and your husband need to agree on what is acceptable to publish.

When taking pictures in public I try to not make people recognizable unless I ask their permission. Sometimes it's unavoidable but I do try to be respectful and obscure the faces as much as possible.

Pictures of personal gatherings where people are the subject of a photo should be made aware that you may post the pictures online. Everyone is doing this and I think most everyone assumes they will be posted online at some point. It is good idea to get permission regarding tagging with names and what can and cannot be posted.
December 7th, 2010
@lynnmwatson :D Actually works out well because I love being offended :P
December 7th, 2010
A picture is just a picture... some people are a little over protective... so I say post photos if you are fine with it.

For ME I would be careful not make sure that the child cannot be tracked... which is the difference for me between a site like facebook and this one... it would be difficult for a random internet person to develope a 'connection' with a child which could lead to them physically finding the child. If that makes any sense....
December 7th, 2010
I kinda agree with ross and barry. I have a whole album dedicated to my son. But it's not like I post enough info for anyone to know where my house is or anything that could actually take advantage of my son. Besides, he has a cute face (i know, I know, I'm biased) so I wanna show it off. He's my little model. :D
December 7th, 2010
@icywarm @nevermouse @indiannie_jones

I think Jordan's got it right, a picture is just a picture. If the picture provided a roadmap to the person I could understand the concern but a random shot doesn't.

I don't see what parents are "protecting them from" if:
1 - there is no way to locate them
2 - no contact information
3 - no identification included

At the end of it do what you think is right, but don't get caught up in the hype that is created by the "media machine".
December 7th, 2010
I'm happy to post photos of my own kids here. And, if people follow the links they actually can get my address - that's kind of necessary when one runs a photography business. I've had direct involvement in several large-scale unsavoury-child-photo operations (involving multiple countries including the USA and UK) and I totally understand the paranoia - it was difficult for me to not remove every trace of my kids from the internet after the first one. But, with a tasteful (clothed) photograph, what can they do? To harm my kids? Nothing. I'm not going to keep my kids from the internet just in case some perv saves a photo to his computer.

But, I always ask permission before I post someone else or someone else's kid. I take a lot of child portraits, and I get the parents to sign model releases. I need these, to promote my business! Who is going to hire someone for child portraits if their website doesn't show any? People are generally fine with it. But I totally understand when someone isn't.
December 7th, 2010
@jinximages @rossco088 BUT play nice with your hubby... don't say... the online people think you are a stupid face... his concern is real and his fears true... understand why he feels how he does and showing off pictures of your kids is not worth your marriage
December 7th, 2010
You all have excellent points. I hesitated before posting portraits of my granddaughters, but my identity is unknown, as is theirs, and I only use nicknames, no identifying information. It's a valid concern and something worth considering, and with a little common sense (which isn't always 'common'!), a personal decision.
December 7th, 2010
I agree with everything said and want to just throw in that you cant stop perves. If you dont post pictures of kids on the website they do leave the house and there are pervs on the street. You cant stop them from being perverted. The only thing you can do is of course ask the parents permission before posting.
December 7th, 2010
@icywarm haha, no I would never tell him anything like that. I try to cooperate with him on this, but you know it's so hard sometimes!

@hopeless @camarobabe @jinximages @rossco088 @amyhughes @dmortega @eyebrows @lynnmwatson @indiannie_jones @spaceman @msk1p2 Thanks for all the input! I really appreciate hearing the various opinions. My kids are still my favorite subject ... but I guess you all will have to be contented with my second favorite: my dog and her playmates.
December 7th, 2010
I never considered this subject at all until I posted a picture of my grandson and a male fav'd it. He didn't comment on it, but simply fav'd it and that bothered me. As that picture was already 'out there', I left it (it's a wonderful picture), but I won't be posting anymore of my grandchildren here.
December 8th, 2010
I post pictures of my kiddo and have never posted photos of anyone else's kids without their permission. As for the pervert factor, well, they are out there. As long as they don't come knocking on your door, I say let it go. I think there is enough real danger out in the world to worry about without adding perceived virtual concerns, too. The only concern I have with 365 is having my photos stolen (instead of purchased) which is why I always resize in Picnik so what is out here is as good as it is going to get print-wise. If they want to blow up the image, it will suck and they will still have to pay me. ;)
December 8th, 2010
In with jinx on this one - could have a lot to do with the fact that his kids are mine ... I'm very selective with the photos I post of my children - naked ones are a no go ... sure, I have plenty of embarassing ones without clothes on, ready for their 18th and 21st, but I will not post them here, or facebook, or anywhere online ... even with the privacy settings I have on facebook, it's not worth the risk to have such a photo out there ...

I ask permission if I intend to put up a pic of anyone else's child - I think that's only fair ...

Here's something to throw into the discussion ... jinx took a photo of a colleague/friend of mine and his son on his shoulder ... this was a few years ago now and it was put on his flickr page ... one evening I had a phone call from my colleague asking if we had used that photo for a particular website that swapped the faces/heads of fathers and their children in photoshop and reposted them on their page (I can't remember the name of the site or the addie) ... I assured them that we had not and was curious as to why he was asking ... turns out, he was on the front page of the Sydney Morning Herald (we don't live in Sydney by the way and the website was an American site) where this website was copping an absolutely flogging by a journalist about how horrid it was ... the journalist had taken a few photos from the website to go with their article and bam, on the front page of a national paper was a manipulated photo of my friend and his son, taken as a candid by my husband ...

I worded a lovely email to the website re copyright etc and they had informed me that they had received the photo via an email and were of the understanding that the person sending the photo was either the father in the pic or related ... they backtracked rather fast, sent a huge apology and removed the photo immediately ... Upon investigation, I found out they were 19/20 year old guys who were just creating a page as a bit of a laugh - turns out my email and threat of legal action scared them somewhat ... still didn't get the photo off the front page! I have a feeling there wasn't a watermark on the pic or if there was, not very obvious ... that's changed now!

At least my friend could laugh about it ... and they can't have been too upset as they hired jinx for their maternity and newborn photos with baby number two ;)
December 8th, 2010
@koshi @jinximages Wait so you need to live with Jinx on a day to day basis! And you take such great photos yourself... how can he possible 'trick' you into him NEEDING that new lens/camera/toy.... you would know he was bluffing!!
December 8th, 2010
I post photos of my son,, cant not... like Amy and Jinx too damn cute not too..
If to some reason there is another child in the photo even if I have permission from parents I put a little cartoon face on the other child... Dont need the hassle of in a year or two, having posted the other child online coming back to bite me on the arse...
I could be walking down the street with my son and have someone sitting on a bench or in a car and have them take a photo of him.. how do I protect him from that?? I cant.. so I know he doesn't walk round town naked and thats as far as I can go to protect him..
December 8th, 2010
So, I've read all the responses here and I agree that it is up to the parents. What a sad world we live in that we have to consider all this. But I guess a question from me would be is there any way to disable the "right click" but still be able to share on the Browse and Picks and other such pages? It seems like they wouldn't be able to do both, but has it ever been tried? (Just thought I'd throw my 2 cents in lol)
December 8th, 2010
I post pics of kids, but never use my last name. I think if someone looked at ALL my photos, they could figure out who I am and who the kids are, but it would take a LOT of work to put it all together. Yes - anyone can see it, but most of time it is friendly viewers.
December 8th, 2010
When I was pregnant with my daughter, I was on a social mommy-to-be site - I posted an u/s pic of the baby - no personal info on the photo... someone else stole it, posted it on a similar site, claiming it was hers, and a friend saw it and told me about it. I was much more bothered than I thought - it REALLY bothered me. Maybe a lot of it was the pg hormones. ;) The lady didn't DO anything to me or the photo directly, but it weirded me out... for a long time I didn't post photos of my kids online at ALL. Now, I do on a private blog and on my private facebook account. Here, I'll post a part of their face, a blurry pic, or a shot of their back, etc. I know, they are still "out there" but I do what I can to make it a little more difficult for people to find them. I don't post pictures of my kids faces or other people's kids faces on a fully public site. Just because I know how it made me feel.
December 8th, 2010
They way I figure it is there are cameras everywhere taking our pictures as we walk down streets, shop in malls, drive, I might as well post some good ones! But I do agree I ask permission before posting pictures of other peoples kids.
December 8th, 2010
@rossco088 I guess it's up to the individual. I would probably care more if I had a kid.
December 8th, 2010
@nevermouse - Safe? Probably. The world isn't nearly as bad as we are lead to believe (doubt it? just look at how many different people from all over share this community).

Its more of a matter of respect I suppose. If someone is worried that their kids picture is on the internet, can't argue with that.

@indiannie_jones - I'm with you on this, I don't have kids, so how can I have an opinion on the matter? haha
December 8th, 2010
@eyebrows - Anyone who follows me knows how I feel about this. I actually post my kid photos just to annoy The Steve :). Seriously though, this was brought up here once before and I remember someone saying that their job as a parent is to protect their children and posting any photo on the internet can only do harm so he elected to not post them. My knee jerk reaction was to think he was paranoid, but then the more I thought about it, he had a valid point.
December 8th, 2010
For me it would depend on the photo. For instance, if I photographed a bunch of people watching an animal at a zoo, and it happened to include a few children in the distance, then that's one thing. But I wouldn't post a portrait of someone else's child where you can identify the child (like say a portrait) without permission. I'm a preschool teacher and we have super strict rules for documenting the children, we are not allowed to even photograph them without written permission from the parents, so I wouldn't want to post photos of someone else's child online without permission, not on an open website like 365 anyway, possibly on a closed album on FB only available to a select group or similar, but that's it. Not a fan of people who make websites/online albums available for everyone to see of their children, generally. Why does the world/strangers need to see personal information/close up photos of your young child? May come a time when you regret doing so. Better then to offer a closed group with a password that relatives and friends can access, but not complete strangers. It's rather like posting your family photographs on the wall of the local mall or something ;)
December 8th, 2010
Slightly off-topic, but a few years ago I was on the beach at Brighton, where two small naked children were paddling on the shoreline. Their mothers were some distance away, up the steeply sloping, stony beach. A man approached them with a camera with a HUGE lens and sat about four feet away from them taking pictures. I approached the mothers and informed them that the stranger was taking pics of their children and their response was "He's not doing any harm" ... and carried on talking.

I am not prone to panic mongering but I could see no valid reason why any one would need to approach random children on the beach. He was not just taking innocent "snapshots" with a camera like that. Surely it is polite to ask parents for permission to take pictures.

Many people are suspicious of "the internet" and think it is all "dangerous" It does have people who will misuse , but I think it would be a sad world if we all took this attitude and stopped sharing our pictures.
December 8th, 2010
@novablue --- "Why does the world/strangers need to see personal information/close up photos of your young child? May come a time when you regret doing so."

I think the simple answer is people don't consider what they are doing. Most don't even have a clue about the settings. It always reminds me of people that walk all around something on the floor without ever stopping to pick it up. This will never change. The same is true for "your facebook friends" who have access to your photos. They too can share them and if they don't change the settings the setting are then set to whatever theirs says. So the bottom line is if you don't want to see it somewhere unathorized don't post it.

On a side note: My daughter told me of a friend of hers who found someone using her profile picture as their own. When she asked them why they told her they looked alike and she didn't have her own picture. [WTF????] She told her to take it down and she did. People do whatever people want. We can be very selfish and stupid but it doesn't seem to stop us from behaving like this. ACK!!!
December 8th, 2010
@crappysailor I think part of my hubby's reluctance comes from an incident where I'd posted a pic of my daughter and her friends at a party (locked down to friends only on FB) and a friend (a teenage friend) took the pic and posted it on randomcreepyguy.com (as a misguided joke, because my daughter's bf's dad was standing behind the kids making a face).

I know there are lots of innocent people on the web ... and I really enjoy the interchange here on 365! Sadly, it's been a rare treat for me though, to find such a warm and mature community like the one here (online). So I do see his point. Personally, I'm an eternal optimist, so I'm always wanting to give others the benefit of the doubt. My purpose in asking the question here was to see what the 365 community thinks about it... and this discussion has been very interesting to read.
December 8th, 2010
@dmortega I think it's very true what you say, people often don't think about what something could lead to. I've seen pages/facebook profiles where a person may make a detailed website about their child, and I have to wonder - what if this child is not comfortable with so much information about them being shared when they are older? At that point, it will be too late, the pictures can be saved on hard drives all over the world... I wouldn't want my parents to share personal information/photos with me all over the web for me to stumble across when I got older. A little like young teens posting provocative photos of themselves in various poses. It's fun now, but maybe not so much the day they are looking for a job and and their prospective boss see the photos, or the day a pedophile starts trying to get in touch with them... Not against people sharing photos, but you need to have your wits with you and think ahead.

Doesn't help that a lot of people are internet stupid as well, lol. I once found a photo I'd taken of a few rabbits in a litter that I had bred on another breeder's website(!). I asked her to either take them down or give me credit (in a friendly tone) and she said because she had found it on Google, it was free to use. I had to explain that Google is just a search engine and that it even says in its own information to not use photos without permission. Although I don't think I convinced her until I pointed out if someone googled her rabbitry name they could find her photos on Google too, did that mean it was OK to use them without her permission? ;)
December 8th, 2010
Kinda reminds me of a time when people did not want their picture taken cause it might steal their soul.
December 8th, 2010
Wow--lots of opinions on here. I'm very careful of posting personal photos on here. I save personal photos for friends and family.
December 8th, 2010
@nevermouse --- This site may be a pleasant one to be on but anyone can google your name and find a link back here. Possibly tagged photos too.
December 8th, 2010
@barrymikhal That's true though. It's why selfies are such a taboo around here.
December 8th, 2010
I post pictures of my daughter all the time, it's my choice. But I would never post pictures of anyone else's children (unless they are not identifiable) without parent's permission just out of courtesy.
December 8th, 2010
I don't post pics of my son or anyone else's kids. I'm not trackable, my real name is never used & I haven't even filled out my profile. Posting kid pics is tempting, but I always decided against it. I seldom comment on "kid" photos. Occasionally if one of my followers/followees post one I will. Just paranoid, I guess....
December 8th, 2010
@indiannie_jones - what are you talking about? Just because you don't want to?
:P Neither do I
December 8th, 2010
@crappysailor ;P Obv.
December 8th, 2010
@indiannie_jones - do you ever sleep? :P
December 8th, 2010
@crappysailor Not nearly enough! Not since the... selfie :o
December 9th, 2010
I think if you're a parent you're more cautious of it, personally on here I don't think its that bad as its a smaller site,compared with flickr for example but on that same note I tend to avoid following people who post just pictures of their kids and familys for that matter, because.... well; what do I care, I don't know them and would'nt find it that interesting....and to be honest a little weird if I start following said person
December 9th, 2010
@crappysailor Haha you so cray-zay :D

And aye! They're going all over Europe next summer, yay! I'm going to two shows :D :D :D
December 9th, 2010
December 9th, 2010
I post my kids all the time, I do not give their name nor our specific location. Although I understand your concern and I brought a discussion about this as well several months ago, I am not worried about putting their pictures up. As for people that specifically tell you no, it is wise to honor their wishes. I cannot possibly see what harm posting annoymous pictures of kids are. Just be careful in which type you post, for instance pool side pics may not be a wise decision, but for general everyday life, I can't see the harm. Good luck.
December 9th, 2010
@barrymikhal LOL too!

i've read the lot of your comments & i appreciate the fact that we are all careful & persistent about the matter. it is true that we can never really know what those people will do to the pictures they view or download, but when we hear in the news what the possibilities could be, then is when we feel creepy.

the world now is like a pit of people who do bad, people who allow the bad things to happen, people who just don't care at all, people who abuse others, & people who can't feel secured about doing what they want because others will create a bad thing out of it. i hope, out there, there are still people who prefer to do what they want, not minding whatever some freaks will do.

Not because people will do/say anything should mean that we can't do anything at all. I think we are all responsible people in our photo-community; it's our choice to post what we want here, & we have to responsible with that choice, too.
December 10th, 2010
Well, I look at it like this. Is it any worse for some "creep" to see a picture of a child on the web, than it is when he watches them from his car while driving by the park? Are we supposed to keep kids hidden in caves, protected from all of the "what ifs" of the world? I, for one, will not live my life based on a fear of what someone else might do, or think. I know there's some real creeps out there, don't get me wrong. I just refuse to let THEM rule my decisions. Censoring my photos based on what COULD happen, is like, refusing to drive my car because I MIGHT get killed in a crash. If we live our whole lives in fear of what other people do, think, or feel...are we really living OUR lives?
December 10th, 2010
99% of my 365 pics are of my kids. They are my whole life! If i didn't post pics of them, my 365 wouldn't be MY 365 at all! I don't however ever write their full names. I only refer to them by their first initial, and my husband as "Dad". I don't want their full names or our town or anything to be known. What harm can it do if no one knows their full names and addresses? Without the identifying information , it's just a picture!
December 11th, 2010
Im the same as Jessica, this 365 is a photo album of my year and that includes taking a million photos of my son, his friends and my nephew.
I never use names, but I love and treasure these photos so I am happy to share them.
What is this world coming to???
December 11th, 2010
I think out of respect of the parent, you get permission first. A lot of people are touchy about that.
December 12th, 2010
@jekern77 I agree with you wholeheartedly. People are getting far too paranoid about everything and nothing. A few simple steps like you take will protect them and still allow you to show your beautiful photos for all to see.
December 12th, 2010
I post pics of my kids but only a few here and there. I just make sure not to mention there names. My kids are my world so some days thats all I take pics of. Thankfully since I started this project I have forced myself to shoot more than just my kids but I am sure by the time I get to day 365 there will be days where it will be nothing but pics of my kiddos. Like Im sure Christmas day will be a kiddo pic.
December 12th, 2010
i was just looking for the privacy on here, and seems there isnt any as my kids are my life but i wont post photos to the public of them im deleting my account now lol shame nice idea
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