@stray_shooter thanks Ron. The reason I have so many pencil sharpeners is, the last company I was with ordered 20 pencil sharpeners and a box of HB pencils trying to save money instead of the more expensive propelling pencils. However the receptionist ordered 20 boxes so we ended up with 400. They were giving them away so having 3 grandchildren who lose everything I took a box home. That said the box still had 19 in it.