Sharing Settings: Stealing Your Technique?

January 21st, 2011
A friend asked me the other day why I posted my camera settings and post processing information with my photos. Here's an example of what that looks like: I replied that I found it to be a useful exercise for me, and that I hoped it helped other people as well. I explained that part of 365 was learning from others, and sharing your own learning; that the community aspect was just as important as your own photos.

However, I admit that it got me thinking that a) no one else shares their photo settings, and b) I've asked a number of folks what their settings/post processing was for their photos, and they've not responded. I recognize that people are busy, they don't want to write out their settings all the time, or necessarily respond to everyone's comment. I also recognize that some people may not be interested in sharing process, since technical info can't replace a great eye for a photo.

In the three weeks I've been here, it seems that 365 really wants to be a learning community - so why isn't there more discussion around this? I've seen some folks doing this - @mattyb has a great tutorial on his PP in the "tips and tricks" section.

But I'm wondering if there's an underlying issue - that people see sharing settings as an invitation to steal your technique. Analogously, no one in the professional cooking world shares recipes, since that intellectual property is literally your bread and butter, and sharing could result in increased competition and lower market share.

Is this something other people have thought about? In an ostensibly open community, whose focus is learning and practice, are we actually unwilling to share key lessons learned about how we made our best photos because we're worried people will take our ideas?
January 21st, 2011
I LOVE that about the people here - people do help one another out when they can! Of course there's got to be some originality in what you do, but there's no harm sharing the technique or giving people tips. The few times I've asked, I've gotten loads of feedback. Jinx goes above and beyond; Vikdaddy always shares what he's done to achieve his results... and that means a lot to people who are here to learn.
January 21st, 2011
My first though was the EXIF info can tell you quite a bit, so unless you remove that from your photo, people can access that. I would be totally open to sharing my settings in camera or in post-processing with anyone who asked, but right now, my photo views are kind of hit or miss. Sometimes I'll get like 80 views, but other times I'll get 8. So for me it's really not worth my time to post that on every photo unless someone asks.

No matter what settings you use, you'll always be creating different photos, because of the photographer's eye. I think you can mutually benefit by sharing how you do things with each other. I would be pleased if someone else used my ideas and came up with a photo to make them happy. So I'm totally open to it.

And I recently put together a tutorial for my profile picture. http://digital-photography-school.com/forum/how-i-took/144350-picture-picture.html
January 21st, 2011
The information is available on all the photos. As far as post processing goes, honestly I don't write down everything that I do. I just click and adjust on the fly and can only give a overview of what I did but not exact numbers. Besides no two pictures are the same and the post processing more than likely would not apply to both. Check out "View Exif Info" for what settings were used at the time the photo was taken.
January 21st, 2011
I would happily respond if you ever wanted to ask me of course I use a point and click and I will not lie I have NO CLUE what settings I use! I only just realized I had to set a date and time on my camera! LOL!
January 21st, 2011
I've never thought of posting that info but if asked I would tell but I thought the EXIF was enough. I do know that sometimes that's unavailable though.
January 21st, 2011
I always thought that the Exif details were fairly detailed and are included on all the photos. Although that doesn't share any special lighting techniques, editing info, etc....but, I'm sure most people would be more than willing to share that when asked. I do everything by "feel" and would be hard pressed to tell anyone, including myself, what I had done. :)
January 21st, 2011
Oh man, I never clicked on the "exif" button before - that's super useful :) Thanks to everyone for their responses!
January 21st, 2011
I always put details of camera & lens used in the photo tags.
I normally use photoshop elements to process the photos & the 'save for web' feature - which, it turns out removes all the exif data!
I will probably start saving differently to preserve the exif data as I'm happy to share - in fact I'd rather it was there. If asked, I'm always happy to provide any details I can about any of my pics. It's a learning curve for all of us, however experienced, and if I can help others along the way, so much the better.
January 21st, 2011
I dont put my settings up, because I have no idea what the hell they are..and never thought that anyone would care to know anyway.
January 21st, 2011
@musicguy1982 Thanks Daniel for the idea!!!
January 21st, 2011
I love the fact that people share information. Its a great learning opportunity. When I started I thought "Oh I will take photos because the more I take the more I will learn" and 365 was just a way for me to make me. But I love the community here. I love the way people share information and I love the feedback. When I get a photo wrong and I want advice I know I can bring it here and get help to fix and then not make the same mistake again. Its great.
January 21st, 2011
Instead of looking at sharing techniques as sharing great chef's recipes, I think of it more like having the score to a piece of music. You might have Beethoven's music, but there is so much more involved, you won't play like Beethoven. If you share your techniques, I can strive to duplicate your efforts but I won't have the same lens (usually), same lighting, same angles, etc. I hope people aren't unwilling to share because they fear someone stealing their ideas. In most cases, just by viewing the picture you can figure out what they did, I would think. Then that would lead to no one being able to show images because someone could copy it. (That would make this place redundant.)
January 21st, 2011
I just adore when people share. I almost never use their actual down to the wire settings but I take what they did and I put my spin on it or try it a new way to make it more mine. I don't post mine because I change my settings every 2 seconds so each photo I take I would have to write it down because I forget. Sometimes I have no idea what they even are if I just start snapping away.
January 21st, 2011
Most of the time, if I ask, other members share their information. The times I haven't received a response were when I asked the "extremely" popular (lot's of followers). My guess is they have too many comments to wade thru, not that they don't want to let me in on their secrets. I've actually learned quite a bit from members without a lot of photography experience. They've just figured out something that I hadn't. They EXIF info is helpful but it won't tell you things like filters, extension tubes, what lens was used......
January 21st, 2011
@nikkers ~ thats pretty much my reply too lol

i have no idea what the settings im using are half the time because i just faff about with them as i go along and dont know the names for half of it lol ....... mind i doubt anyone would be that interested in mine anyhow lol !
January 21st, 2011
@nikkers Ha ha ha good reply!
January 21st, 2011
interesting discussion. i can kind of see why peole might get worried about posting exif info, however, it doesn't give everyhting away. I have been trying to take a moon shot for weeks now and must've checked out info from 20 different photos. all the exif info is in about the same ball park but the shots are all different....i still can't get one to come out using these ball aprk settings - obviously tripod set up and other factors are stopping me. My point is there are so many other external factors that affect a picture's outcome that I'm not sure it's that much of an issue!
January 21st, 2011
You bring up some interesting things. And the longer you are here the more you'll see things seem to change in waves. As some members finish, or stop posting, others will join and the community evolves. So topics are always changing, new ones are introduced, and others are beaten to death (top 10/popular page?)

Camera settings are useless if you don't have an eye for it. I can only guess why some people don't share them. Perhaps they are insecure about it.

@indiannie_jones @dmortega - You have both been around, am I wrong about how the community seems to evolve over time?

Oh and Annie is right. Vik and Jinx are always willing to help. And if you don't follow them, perhaps you should. Its a learning experience in and of itself.
January 21st, 2011
@photophil - Oh I just saw this. Now I feel silly. :P
January 21st, 2011
@crappysailor Oh, it certainly does!
January 21st, 2011
@crappysailor --- I guess I have been around a while and you are absolutely right. Subjects come up in cyles. New people want to know things, old people get tired of answering the same questions. How come there is no "Frequently asked questions" section? Hahahaha .... oh well. I just put my .02ยข whenever the mood strikes me. ;-) Seriously though I remember asking similar questions. THANK YOU to all who patiently answered them! :-)
January 21st, 2011
I'm glad you brought this up (and thanks fr the shout out). I tried starting a similar discussion the other day ( http://365project.org/discuss/tips-n-tricks/3426/how-did-you-do-it) but it just flopped. No one responded with their tips and tricks. I think some people have attitude that they don't want someone else to 'copy' them. People are funny like that. I teach high school Biology and other teachers are the same way. They get all secretive with their lessons/ideas if they have something super creative.

On the other hand, if I come up with a great lab, or something unique I go out of my way to give it to everyone in my department. The more I share with them, the more willing they are to share with me (like it is some competition.....ridiculous) I am a true believer that you cannot achieve greatness if you are not surrounded by greatness. In order to get better at things, you need to see what other people are doing that are already good at it. Therefore, anytime I do something out of the ordinary (like the ring picture, or the moon shot) I will share whatever I did. I am certainly not a professional or know what I am doing most of the time. I just read a lot of books, articles, webpages and look at tons of photos. From there, I just say to myself...."well I can do that" and I keep messing around until I get something similar or at least interesting. I think if people start doing it, more will follow. A guy in here (Jinx) outs up some great tutorials as well. I followed one on eyes last week and it worked great.
January 22nd, 2011
I don`t really mind.To be honest,if I want to know and learn by looking at the setting of a great photograph,I go browse around on FlickR,where A LOT of people share the info,in the description.And if not,you can check the really really detailed EXIF info.

...but this website is really "friendly" too,if you ask.It only happened to me once,that a person did not respond to a technical question.
January 22nd, 2011
Have you ever heard the saying "Imitation is the highest form of flattery."? I like other people's ideas and sometimes will try them on my own to grow and learn. I figure that most here are trying to learn and grow, become better photographers and have fun. I saw a pic someone did and commented back to her that I saw her pic and tried it out myself. Our pics were of the same subject, but the the end results were quite different.

And to comment on the recipe sharing, I guess elite chef's with their own restaurants may not share recipes, but a lot of cooking is technique as much as ingredients. I watched a Christmas special Gordon Ramsey did and now make scrambled eggs the same way he showed, because the technique he used gives delicious results above the way I made them before. @photophil I liked that you posted your technique to get the match photo, and may some day try it! I'm glad when people share techniques to achieve certain results, it helps others grow and learn, try new things.

There was also a thread, I don't remember which one, about original ideas. We all may try similar ideas, but often times, even using the same technique we end up with different results.

My 2 cents....
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