How do you ask permission to take pictures on other's property. For example, I would LOVE to take some photos of children in a cornfield, but alas, I do not own a field. I am surrounded by them, though. Do you knock on the farmers door and just say "hey, can I go around and take pictures in your field?" Or even the cow pastures around me. I would really like to take some fun cow shots. Do you go ask them? Thanks for any input ;)
Yip, just go ask, tell him you won't damage his crops, offer to e-mail him some shots, sure you'll get a positive response.
Although if you're in the U.S. he maybe a gun nut and shoot you for trespass.
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I agree just ask and tell him your love for photography and how gorgeous their ____ is (what ever you want to photograph) and that you could show them the shots when you are done. Be really nice and hope for a yes!
That's what I do. They have always been more than happy to oblige, and actually thanked me for asking, saying that they would have wondered what I was doing if I wouldn't have asked.
@tolpol@cjwhite I feel so bad. Is that what people really think of people in the U.S.? I never knew that. It's so amazing what you find out in a multi-country group like this.
@cjwhite Oh, thank goodness. You never know! I know that sometimes on the news you hear that people in other countries think American's are horrible, and I always feel bad when someone says that. There are so many that are wonderful!! Like us 365ers!! :)
It's always a great idea to ask permission in order to avoid trespassing on someone else's property. Most will oblige and not even care to see the pictures but there are a few who don't want people walking through for fear of damage.
@tolpol What an incredibly ignorant and bigoted statement. And that's all I'm going to say regarding that.
@indiannie_jones It doesn't matter if it's fenced or not. Private property is private property, whether it has a fence or other barrier around it or not. Show the landowner the respect of stopping by and asking permission. You might get told no, but they will appreciate you asking either way.
@katiegc24 I would agree that stereotypes suck, and aren't fair. All you have to do is look at the wonderful and diverse community on here to see how unfair it is to put a culture in a box.
I would go and ask. What's the worst thing that can happen? The property owner/farmer says "no". You're out nothing for trying, but I've found that most folks are more than happy to let you take photos of the things they take pride in - including their crops and cattle. :)
You can come take pictures in my field! In a couple months it will be full of hay and you might die of hay fever, though. It ain't all its cracked up to be.
P.S I may own a gun or two but I promise I won't shoot you!
@katiegc24 I work very hard to fight the negative stereotypes cast upon gun owners. I am a youth firearms instructor, avid hunter and sport shooter, and member of a local gun club that puts on youth camps several times throughout the summer. I'm considering updating my instructor certification to an NRA instructor, and have given sincere though to starting a course to introduce women to shooting sports.
With that said, I take firearms very seriously. Like photography, it is a source of relaxation for me, whether it's shooting or reloading my cartridges. My work and personal life exposes me to many people that enjoy perpetuating the stereotypes that gun owners are stupid, inbred, backwoods hicks. Which makes me very sensitive to "jokes" about it.
So sorry, no. I will not lighten up. Would you defend me if I "jokingly" made a racist remark here?
*steps off soapbox*
I now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.
@yungingr@katiegc24@tolpol - and I work in a jail and see a lot of negativity around guns. I would love all gun owners/users to be responsible but alas they aren't and that's a fact. Joking or not there is a chance that you will get shot if you trespass...........in fact these days it can happen when you are minding your own business, or in school etc
I'm sorry I don't have time to elaborate at the moment, I only have a sec on the computer, but if you are in the US you might want to check first. Its ridiculous but some states it illegal to photograph farms....google it ;)
@yungingr Well, the background information certainly helps. But Mr @tolpol wasn't really being racist.The comment was made humorously, and everyone else seems to have noticed that. Of course we all know that guns can be dangerous when misused - when I am finished at college, next year, I am joining the British Royal Navy, I know that I will get training in personal firearms and some other weaponry. I take things like that very seriously.
But, at the same time, I also have the common sense to recognise when someone is making a joke. Mr @tolpol didn't say that all Americans carry guns; he didn't say that all Americans abuse guns, and he certainly didn't say that abusing guns is funny. He made one comment about how, if you trespass on someone else's property, they may have a gun and so they may use it. This does happen, and while perhaps he didn't put it in the most flattering of terms, he was simply adding a suggestion which (while I don't know exactly what he was thinking when he wrote it) was probably worded like that with the sole intent of making people smile.
Personally, I have similar issues to you. I am currently a music teacher, and I teach piano, flute and electronic keyboard. The keyboard is by far my favourite instrument, both to teach and to play, but it is relatively new as a serious study, and most people don't see it that way. I have often had to fight the negative stereotypes that I regularly hear from my friends at college (who play what they call 'proper' instruments, like violin, piano, flute, guitar etc.) and from parents of students I teach, and from my own teachers at school and college .. it makes me very angry when people are disparaging about my instrument simply through sheer ignorance.
With that said, I am still able to cope when someone says something that I know is purely to be witty. Sometimes it is funny, sometimes it isn't, but I don't completely flip the moment somebody makes a derogatory remark about keyboards - things I have to remember to consider are how well you know the person, their tone of voice when saying it, other people's reactions to the comment, and the context in which it was made.
Even having said all that.. my main point is that Mr @tolpol simply said that, if you trespass, the owner of the land could be a crazy person with a gun who could shoot you. And yes, they could be. Having a gun doesn't make you crazy. Not all crazy people have guns. Neither of those things mean that they will shoot you. But they are all a possibility.
In response to your (probably rhetorical) question: I might defend you, if I thought somebody were being unfair to you. I detest all forms of racism when they are purely to insult somebody based on their race. However, it is possible to be slightly 'racist' and funny, at the same time. And it is possible that being very slightly 'racist' isn't going to offend anyone if you say it right, and in the right situation. It is very hard to define racism. Is it racist for me, as someone who was born and raised (and still lives) in England. to say that English people love talking about the weather and wait around in queues a lot? They are two stereotypes that the English generally say about themselves. Oh no.. I just generalised again, about the English. Was that racist? Did it offend anyone? If it didn't, then it was probably fine. If it did then my sincere apologies to whoever was offended.
So maybe you should lighten up - there is a time to take things deadly seriously, but everyone should be able to take a joke.
Whoa people. Rein it in and stick to the question. Since I've started this project I've stepped way out of my comfort zone to get the picture I want. It seems that with camera in hand we are less likely to be judged for doing silly things than if we did the same thing without a camera. That being said, go ask permission. Most people would be glad to accommodate you. I like the idea of sharing your photo with the owners as long as it isn't too personalized to you specifically.
@nicolekos Just did it with a total stranger's shop. Asked if I could photograph his wares. He ask me why I would want to do that...He obviously had no appreciation of the riot of colour and shapes he had...Two minutes and about 5 shots later I said thanks and left. (bought nothing). If he'd said no I'd have left sooner with a smiley "Thanks anyway".
@yungingr Erm, I meant more in the sense that if it wasn't obvious that it belonged to someone. I do that all the time here; lots of empty patches of land - who do I ask, the government?
@yungingr As a bigot and an overt racist may I point out that I especially despise the 110metre hurdles and don't care much for the marathon.
As someone who has worked with refugees, gypsies, ethnic minorities, alcoholics, drug addicts, homeless people and a host of other disadvantaged groups your accusation of racism are laughable.
A lot of my favourite literature, music, art, film and TV comes from the U.S.
I love the confidence and attitude of American people.
I'm sorry you didn't find my comment amusing, it was meant as a bit of gentle ribbing.
So in conclusion, I will apologise if I offended anyone with my tongue (firmly) in cheek comment.
I'm now away to besiege my son's Lego town with a BB gun. ;0) (Oops!)
@nicolekos Sorry this nonsense has hijacked your thread.
My real point was, just ask, most people are very accomodating and pleased that you've shown an interest.
@indiannie_jones Here in the US, all land ownership information is public records, and freely available at the county courthouse. You can usually tell them "I'd like to know who owns the ground at the corner of x and y streets", and they can dig out a book with all of the information.
With the advances in technology, much of this information is now available on the internet - many counties now have websites that you can go on to, look around on a map, and select individual parcels of land to find out ownership information. Unfortunately, many of these are not necessarily intuitive or user-friendly; often times you have to know something about the parcel to get started. (My work has me dealing closely with these types of services, so I'm at a slight advantage in this field)
@tolpol First off, I never said anything about race (unless you count stupid, inbred, backwoods hicks) and I commend you for the work you've done with disadvantaged people.
Secondly, the "smile" in the post in question, at least on my screen, gets lost in the last line. It wasn't until after people started saying "it was a joke" did I see it. That's the problem with making comments on the internet. A huge percentage of our conversation is not in the words we say - it's how we say them, and our body language while speaking. Online, no one can see/hear those little nuances, so you always run the risk of people misinterpreting what you say.
Lastly, as I said before, I'm a large proponent of gun rights and education. Here in my home state of Iowa, we have spent the last several years making huge advances in individual gun rights and equality, and virtually every step of the way we have had to fight people that actually believe what you joked. People that actually write in to our newspapers saying "If this law is changed, the crazy gun nuts will turn Iowa into the old west, and blood will run in the streets" The media jumps at any opportunity to paint us as bloodthirsty, crazed lunatics.
So, I apologize for missing your attempt at humor. Had I noticed the "smile", your comment still would have made my blood boil, but I probably would not have responded the way I did. But you can hopefully understand why I'm quite sensitive about the topic.
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I guess you could, if they're fenced off or something - if not, then go ahead!
Although if you're in the U.S. he maybe a gun nut and shoot you for trespass.
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@indiannie_jones It doesn't matter if it's fenced or not. Private property is private property, whether it has a fence or other barrier around it or not. Show the landowner the respect of stopping by and asking permission. You might get told no, but they will appreciate you asking either way.
p.s joking cuz we are friends :)
@yungingr Lighten up, he was joking! Having just said how much I hate stereotypes .. I'm sure we can all take a joke around here.
@loztsoul Why thank you Mr Baird. Go on though, tell me :P
P.S I may own a gun or two but I promise I won't shoot you!
With that said, I take firearms very seriously. Like photography, it is a source of relaxation for me, whether it's shooting or reloading my cartridges. My work and personal life exposes me to many people that enjoy perpetuating the stereotypes that gun owners are stupid, inbred, backwoods hicks. Which makes me very sensitive to "jokes" about it.
So sorry, no. I will not lighten up. Would you defend me if I "jokingly" made a racist remark here?
*steps off soapbox*
I now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.
But, at the same time, I also have the common sense to recognise when someone is making a joke. Mr @tolpol didn't say that all Americans carry guns; he didn't say that all Americans abuse guns, and he certainly didn't say that abusing guns is funny. He made one comment about how, if you trespass on someone else's property, they may have a gun and so they may use it. This does happen, and while perhaps he didn't put it in the most flattering of terms, he was simply adding a suggestion which (while I don't know exactly what he was thinking when he wrote it) was probably worded like that with the sole intent of making people smile.
Personally, I have similar issues to you. I am currently a music teacher, and I teach piano, flute and electronic keyboard. The keyboard is by far my favourite instrument, both to teach and to play, but it is relatively new as a serious study, and most people don't see it that way. I have often had to fight the negative stereotypes that I regularly hear from my friends at college (who play what they call 'proper' instruments, like violin, piano, flute, guitar etc.) and from parents of students I teach, and from my own teachers at school and college .. it makes me very angry when people are disparaging about my instrument simply through sheer ignorance.
With that said, I am still able to cope when someone says something that I know is purely to be witty. Sometimes it is funny, sometimes it isn't, but I don't completely flip the moment somebody makes a derogatory remark about keyboards - things I have to remember to consider are how well you know the person, their tone of voice when saying it, other people's reactions to the comment, and the context in which it was made.
Even having said all that.. my main point is that Mr @tolpol simply said that, if you trespass, the owner of the land could be a crazy person with a gun who could shoot you. And yes, they could be. Having a gun doesn't make you crazy. Not all crazy people have guns. Neither of those things mean that they will shoot you. But they are all a possibility.
In response to your (probably rhetorical) question: I might defend you, if I thought somebody were being unfair to you. I detest all forms of racism when they are purely to insult somebody based on their race. However, it is possible to be slightly 'racist' and funny, at the same time. And it is possible that being very slightly 'racist' isn't going to offend anyone if you say it right, and in the right situation. It is very hard to define racism. Is it racist for me, as someone who was born and raised (and still lives) in England. to say that English people love talking about the weather and wait around in queues a lot? They are two stereotypes that the English generally say about themselves. Oh no.. I just generalised again, about the English. Was that racist? Did it offend anyone? If it didn't, then it was probably fine. If it did then my sincere apologies to whoever was offended.
So maybe you should lighten up - there is a time to take things deadly seriously, but everyone should be able to take a joke.
As someone who has worked with refugees, gypsies, ethnic minorities, alcoholics, drug addicts, homeless people and a host of other disadvantaged groups your accusation of racism are laughable.
A lot of my favourite literature, music, art, film and TV comes from the U.S.
I love the confidence and attitude of American people.
I'm sorry you didn't find my comment amusing, it was meant as a bit of gentle ribbing.
So in conclusion, I will apologise if I offended anyone with my tongue (firmly) in cheek comment.
I'm now away to besiege my son's Lego town with a BB gun. ;0) (Oops!)
@katiegc24 Thank you Kate.
@nicolekos Sorry this nonsense has hijacked your thread.
My real point was, just ask, most people are very accomodating and pleased that you've shown an interest.
Have fun with the BB gun , but watch out, those things can be dangerous! ;)
With the advances in technology, much of this information is now available on the internet - many counties now have websites that you can go on to, look around on a map, and select individual parcels of land to find out ownership information. Unfortunately, many of these are not necessarily intuitive or user-friendly; often times you have to know something about the parcel to get started. (My work has me dealing closely with these types of services, so I'm at a slight advantage in this field)
Secondly, the "smile" in the post in question, at least on my screen, gets lost in the last line. It wasn't until after people started saying "it was a joke" did I see it. That's the problem with making comments on the internet. A huge percentage of our conversation is not in the words we say - it's how we say them, and our body language while speaking. Online, no one can see/hear those little nuances, so you always run the risk of people misinterpreting what you say.
Lastly, as I said before, I'm a large proponent of gun rights and education. Here in my home state of Iowa, we have spent the last several years making huge advances in individual gun rights and equality, and virtually every step of the way we have had to fight people that actually believe what you joked. People that actually write in to our newspapers saying "If this law is changed, the crazy gun nuts will turn Iowa into the old west, and blood will run in the streets" The media jumps at any opportunity to paint us as bloodthirsty, crazed lunatics.
So, I apologize for missing your attempt at humor. Had I noticed the "smile", your comment still would have made my blood boil, but I probably would not have responded the way I did. But you can hopefully understand why I'm quite sensitive about the topic.
And peace once again reigns over the 365 project.
I suppose things work differently here then. *smiley face* @yungingr
@tolpol You peace-keeper, you. :P