Question for Full Frame DSLR users

posted March 15th, 2012
I was told by a little birdy that my Canon 50mm f/1.8II is not designed to fit the Canon 5D mark II exactly right and can lead to damage. Have you heard this ? and is it true? because I only have 2 lenses the nifty fifty and a Sigma 70-300mm f/4-5.6 APO DG. If your laughing uncontrollably falling out of your seat, I dont blame you, Im no hot shot, I just been saving for the 60D for over a year and a huge price drop on the Mark II last fall ... so I picked one up and now am saving for a L lens or maybe the 85 1.2... in case I want to be a bargain shopper like i love to be, I just asking if I should beware what I slip on my uber doober, buttery churning new love of my life the 5Dmk II.
posted March 15th, 2012
I don't know about damage, but unless it is an L series lens, it is my understanding it is not a full frame lens and will give you some distortion. Ask @agima cause he shoots on the Mark II 5D.
posted March 15th, 2012
@swguevin yes i do often get vignetting with the 50mm even tho the manual says EF lenses are suitable for the mk II, what a situation I got myself into, might be at least a year before i move up to L ... should I put the camera in storage until then? @agima
posted March 15th, 2012
@4stories just upgraded to a 5D from T1i. Maybe she can help you out.
posted March 15th, 2012
My primary frame is a 5D Mark II, and other than the vignetting and stepping up a couple of stops for best clarity on your nifty, I haven't heard anything else negative. I definitely haven't heard of any Canon lenses causing damage to a Canon frame.
posted March 15th, 2012
@grizzlysghost thanks for the encouragement
posted March 15th, 2012
@eryck @swguevin This is incorrect. Any lens that is an EF lens will fit any EF mount camera. The 50 1.8 will fit and work with a 5d2 just fine. Whoever told you that it wouldn't is plain wrong. Sheila, what you say is also incorrect. A non L lens does not mean it wasn't intended for full frame cameras. As long as it is EF mount, it will work. Distortion is a function of the lens. Eryck, I think you are getting confused somewhere, of course the manual says EF lenses are suitable for the Mark II, ONLY EF lenses work with the mark ii. Many lenses display vignetting on full frame cameras, even L lenses.
posted March 15th, 2012
@bradleynovak alright, good to know, I believe. The sales agent at the store told me the 50mm will be fine and also suggested that i dont take it off, use the sigma sparsely based on something to do with ring mount and not using third party lenses, but hey, thats just one opinion I thought it would be a interesting topic with the recent release of the mk III as well nikons D800. It is an expensive craft and do appreciate your inspiration.
posted March 15th, 2012
Looking at the documentation, this is an EF lens, not an EF-S lens. As an EF lens, it will fit on the 5D MKII without issues. The caution is that an EF-S lens may cause damage with the 5D and is strongly discouraged. You're fine with any standard EF lens, however.
posted March 15th, 2012
@bradleynovak That is good to know. I stopped buying lenses, because I want to upgrade to the 5d Mark iii. Will still probably switch over to the L series when I do purchase any additional lenses.

Popped this off BH Photo:

Compatible with Over 60 Canon EF Lenses The EOS 5D Mark II is compatible with all Canon lenses in the EF lineup (except EF-S lenses), ranging from 14mm Ultra-Wide to 600mm Super Telephoto lenses. The EF lineup employs advanced optical know-how and sub-micron precision engineering to deliver unprecedented performance in all facets of the photographic process. Aspherical optics and Fluorite elements, for example, are featured in the universally acclaimed L-series Lenses while Canon's Image Stabilization feature minimizes the effect of camera shake.
posted March 15th, 2012
@kannafoot @swguevin great reassurance as I suspected. There are some great EF lenses I will afford and will continue with my mk II. I really want to make great images, I mean shooting is great, I like sports and being ready for special moments, but to make a picture, this is my new challenge. Happy Snappy
posted March 15th, 2012
@swguevin @eryck @cfitzgerald @grizzlysghost @bradleynovak @kannafoot

I guess in short a 5D has a EF mount so it will take any lens that has that mount. it doesn't matter if it is a Canon or not as long as the mount is correct.

What does the mount do? The obvious one is that it holds the lens to the camera, but it also is the communication line between the electronics in the camera and the electronics in the lens.

I have both a full frame 5D and a 500D which is not full frame.

The 5D will only accept EF mount lens where the 500D will except both EF and EF-S mounted lens.

posted March 15th, 2012
The easiest way to tell is if the lens has a red dot or a white square where the lens joins the camera. If it has a red dot it is a EF mount if it has a white square it is a EF-S mount.

I am not sure if you can actually mount EF-S on a 5D. I think the slots do not align making it impossible. I will have to have a look.

posted March 15th, 2012
As the other people have mentioned there is no problem and no distortion using EF on a non full frame camera for example I often use my L - EF lens on my 500D without any issues and the reason why I do this is to get the extra magnification from the 500D. The image quality is fantastic and sometimes in full light it is difficult to tell the difference between the two when using L glass.

posted March 15th, 2012
My advice for you would be to only purchase EF mounted lens so when you do step up you don't have to purchase new glass.

Now should you purchase L glass...... Maybe, maybe not... The cost of this glass is $ and if you are shooting for fun then you may not need it. I personally like to buy the best I can buy so I get L glass, but I am to some point am a perfectionist.

I hoped that helped.
posted March 15th, 2012
@agima fair enough, do you use many third party lenses on your 5D? and can you compare canon EF to other brand lenses?
posted March 15th, 2012
@agima You should be able to use an EF-S with the 5D Mark II using an extension tube as a bridge.
posted March 15th, 2012
@agima

Thanks. This is very helpful. I have only one S series lens and will be careful not to purchase another. Appreciate your comments.
posted March 15th, 2012
@eryck No I only use Canon lens, however having said that I have seen many images that are from 3rd party companies and I can not really see the difference.

I also know a lot of people that use 3rd party lens and love them, I dont know of any pros that use them.

So is the extra cost of L glass worth it over a 3rd party lens. Probably not.

If I had a different personality, then I would purchase the 3rd party lens without an issue.

For me its the build quality and the realiability along with the imag quaility that I look for. I dont treat my equipment as nicely as I should so they need to take a bit more a a beating than normal. i.e. shooting in the rain, walking through the bush, throw in the back seat as I drive between locations to get shots, etc etc
posted March 15th, 2012
@grizzlysghost I guess that could be true as the extension tubes normally don't use/pass through the electronics of the camera and lens.

I am not a big fan of extension tubes so I have never looked into it.

@swguevin No problem. The S stands for the mount not the lens type. The same is true in that you can have a EF mounted lens that can not be a L series lens. Does that make sense?
posted March 15th, 2012
@agima thats really cool, and Im going to have to make a decision eventually, and for my preference I would rather go with L ... 2.8 at least, awe that 85mm f/1.2 looks gorgeous. haha gonna be a long wait tho, im gonna try for next dec, lets see if i can do that in todays economy :)

nice flash work by the way

i heard the 70-200mm f/ 2.8 L USM is a classic

and I have used a 16-35mm f/2.8 L on my entry level Canon rebel xs and the shots were crispy clear I was very happy with the results, but auto focus is always slow thats another topic.
posted March 15th, 2012
@eryck thanks I am glad you like my strobe work. :)

The 70-200 f2.8 L is by far the most respected lens in the Canon range.

It is fast and auto focus on the 5D is quick enough to capture and track fast moving horses without any issues.

I have used the 85mm f1.2 and it was great. I don't normally use a prime lens for a few reasons, but the times I have they were great.
posted March 15th, 2012
Was told by one of the guys at the camera store I go to that Canon will be coming out with a new 5D and/or 7D. Upping the mp count and adding some other features. Just an aside to the conversation
posted March 15th, 2012
@debsphotos thats cool, the mark III came out last week its 22.3 mp compared the the mark II was 21mp. not sure the cost of the mark III but for 3 grand nikons d800 (which came out about 7 weeks ago) is a whopping 36mp, something to consider.
posted March 16th, 2012
@eryck FWIW I have a canon 50mm 1.8 I use on my 30D (ok you can stop laughing! seriously, I'd love to upgrade but health costs come first, besides it was my engagement "ring). Anyway....it's a lens designed with a standard canon mount. Little red dot and all. I also have the APSC lens that came with the camera, little white square. The way I see it, they're designed for cannon by cannon, they wont break the camera they will just function differently on the camera. I even go so far as using a third party extension tube on my camera. Have been for a few years. Not had a problem, though I'm sure it's not the best image quality of course!

The only time I ever came up with an error was using a very old (pre digital) lens on my camera, gave me an "02 error" which I promptly responded to by taking the thing off and never attempting it again!

This link has been passed around a lot, but thought I'd post it if you hadn't seen it yet.
http://improvephotography.com/1400/the-top-16-most-outstanding-lenses-on-the-market/

Since the cannon nikon debate will always rage, keep in mind it's never just about mp or price, they're two different cameras and everyone will always argue one side or the other.

This is a pretty good chart to consider, for me the fps play a big role

http://www.expertphotography.com/canon-eos-5d-mark-iii-vs-nikon-d800-which-is-best

That and whos lenses I already own ;) some people can switch back and forth at the drop of a hat, I don't have the liberty with the bank account to do that *lol*.
posted March 16th, 2012
@eryck I have a Sigma 70-200 OS. It is my favorite lens. Third party lenses can be awesome.
@neda This is BAD advice. The "little white square" (EF-S lenses) can cause damage by trying to mount it on a camera that does not accept them. They do not work differently, they simply weren't intended to work on cameras without a 1.6 crop factor. The 30d was made to work with EF-S lenses. I would avoid advising people on things that can cause damage to other peoples cameras that you aren't well versed in.

EF-S lenses sit farther back in the mount than EF lenses. The mirror can slap the back of the lens quite easily if mounted on a camera it is not supposed to.
posted March 16th, 2012
@bradleynovak thats what i was looking to read about, great news.

@neda thanks for sharing :)
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