Looking at the 'Browse by Day' tab suggests that my latest picture ( http://365project.org/vikdaddy/365/2010-08-23) is one of the top six or seven popular photos for today, but it doesn't show at all on the actual popular page. I've shuffled loads of times and it still doesn't come up.
I just wonder, has it changed recently so you can't see your own photo on the popular page but others can? In the past I could see my own photo if it had.
i just shuffled a few times and couldn't see it either, but it came up on my home page before i logged in earlier, which means it has been really popular. so i am not sure?!
I believe that I saw it on there yesterday, but not now. Also if you check the popular page on the mobile site you can view all of the pics "in rotation" at the same time.
It doesn't show on the popular page but it's one of the 8 photos when you login in. Well I never knew how the popular page changes and how it choose the photos and it's been almost an year since I started my project.
I believe it rotates the most popular recent photos, perhaps the top 50 or so. It would be good to know what algorithm is used to work it out.
I think it's important that the popular page works efficiently, because it's the most effective way of getting noticed on this site. One for Ross Scrivener to solve methinks!
am always lost with that page.... i have seen others get on it that has less views than my entry for the day - so I just shuck it all to randomness....
The popular page has been disscussed many a time before, Ross stated it supposed to work off an algorithm of comments, views,times fav'd...I also think in what amount of time too, I think he tweaks it all the time to make it fair otherwise those with most followers of course will get on the popular page all the time if it worked off just and comments but it does makes you wonder when an average looking picture with very few hits makes it to the page.
(still think we should have random button, but that's for a different thread!)
But no doubt you will appear in the Top 20 of week 14! As it's a great photo :-)
Interesting, I like looking thru the pop page. I looked last night and saw a pic on there with no comments so there must be another process. But its Ross Scrivener decision/process
I've never understood the popular page and now I'm confused by the Day page too!
I just assumed the pictures were up in order of upload! But at least now I've seen your picture Vik. Very good indeed.
I saw it there yesterday. I think the popular pics should be chosen by favs, i don't know what method is used now. All I know is that I don't understand the popular page. I've seen gorgeous photos on there that should be there, but I've also seen photos on there that you would think would never make that page. and the layout of it just sucks. Anyway I think there is too much emphasis on what's popular.
I think the pop page is just the pictures that Ross likes - or the ones he has someone chose - like his monkeys. Sometimes I see my picture there with maybe 15 hits and someone else will have a picture with 50 hits and they aren't on the pop page. I also think that if they are on the pop page and don't get any hits there that they go away. Don't we all just love a mystery?!
i am back to say just looking on the popular page i noticed some pics have had no views or comments, so maybe it is just becoming more of a random page not based on popularity so you can check out everybodys work! i think that would be a great feature to the site anyway!
I go to the popular page a couple times a day when I have time and love seeing so many theme pictures, and photos that seem to commemorate something special on that particular day. To pick it apart is, to me, like looking a gift horse in the mouth. I think it's the baby of the Photo Monkeys and we should all just enjoy it for what it is.
I enjoy looking at it, but wish the title was changed to 'random' instead of 'popular' -- but that's just my own bias against not knowing the who and why of the whole process.
I'm not sure how it works but sure was excited when a 'regular' popular gave a pic of mine comment that it was on the popular page. Then I thought my pic yesterday was good and guess what, i'ts got on for 24th Aug ... but then so were 818 other items ... then today my next pic went up, I checked and it was on pg 2 or popular and just now it's been bumped to page 3. Hey at last I was popular! But I do agree the algorithm is confused.
Hey Suzi, it's definitely not just what Ross likes. It's an algorithm that works this out - it would be far too much work to keep updating it regularly.
I think the popular page is important for this type of community because it's how many of us discover new people. So, I think it's important it works well. Also, talk of "looking a gift horse in the mouth" is wrong in my opinion because this is a service, and some people pay for it and the others have to view ads. So, it's important it is efficient because an efficient service draws more customers and retains those who are already here.
The popular page is random of the first two pages in the "browse by day" section I think, and the browse by day section shows the most popular in order of most viewed and favourited, most popular being the first row (also homepage) and so on...
Sometimes my photo is not on the popular page even if it is rated amongst the tops of the browse by day section. But its all good!!! so long I know how to figure out if one of my photos is liked by many! I'd say Homepage would be the highlight of my day/month/year for any photo of mine, I literally shout it out to everyone if it happens to me, my blog, fb, etc...lol! Its a good feeling...
You have great photos and I'm sure you/your photos are getting good exposure
I always thought photos on the popular page were selected by 365 'monkeys' , My pics have been on there a few times but havent been viewed heaps.... Aaaah, here is why I was thinking of monkeys.... this is the quote from the popular page that tells you how they are selected
"At 365 towers we employ a crack team of highly trained monkeys to search through your photos and choose their favourites, each day they compile a list of the best and provide the photos for the world to see. Have the monkeys picked one of yours? Well done! If not, keep trying, these monkeys can be very hard to please!"
It's the top 20 that is worked out by algorithm isn't it? The popular page is a collection of photos that have appealed to a select group of "monkeys".
I agree with Dalia... Lately I've seen some pictures on there that do not have any views at all, so it has got to be some kind of algorithm because even if it were just the "monkeys" that were choosing, then there would be at least 1 view on those photos, right?
Okay, so then isn't this more about seeing images you may otherwise miss? If so, then why would it be an issue for pictures that haven't been favorited or have fewer views than what is expected to make the page?
I post a pic once a day....that's it ! Anything else here is complicated ! Nothing really works like simple HTML, so I just post a pic a day then leave !
May be it's a good thing overwise we would always see the same photographers. I love to see new ones with few followers on this page, it's what's interesting and magic. A least for me!
I agree with you Vikdaddy, it really makes no since to me. I can have over a hundred view on a picture and it never makes the popular page. I will have to say that I have had a lot of pictures that do make the popular page though so I don't feel like its my place to complain. I think their was a discussion once before though on a peoples choice which would be nice. That way it would be the people on here choosing their favorites. I don't know though, I think that discussion ended in someone leaving 365. I don't pay for this site yet though so my opinion may not be counted but I think it makes a big difference on how many people you follow and how many people follow you back. When I was only following a few people I would only have like 20 views a day and when I started following more now I usually get a 100 views a day. And the way I look at it even though it is confusing how the popular page works at least there was those 100 or so people out there who took the time to view my picture. I personally don't think that the theme for the week nor the top 20 for the week make you any more popular on this site because I do participate in the themes usually almost every week, not that I have ever made top five but it hasn't got me recognized and I have made top 20 a couple of times and that only brought a few more people to my page. I think that if you want to be popular and get your pictures noticed then follow as many people as possible, and comment as often as possible and then other people tend to do the same for you.
Also, Tracey, I just read your comment now. I 'spose if one's only goal is to get as many views and / or comments as possible, then more power to them.
Well to some people it does matter. They want more recognition for their photos and I understand what everyone is saying. They don't understand why the popular page is the way it is when there are photos on there that are not being viewed and some how they make popular page. If they are not popular then how are they making it to popular page. I was just stating my personal opinion above and that the way I see it for me personally. The main thing in question here though is why are the popular pictures not being posted as popular and the not so popular ones are. I agree with Vikdaddy here and I am clueless to why it is like this and I think they are just wanting answers. We all know at the end of the day that there is nothing that can be done about it but it makes people feel better to get some answers to why it is the way it is. I don't think this thread was started to have someone come on here and be negative when they wanted a simple answer as to if it had been changed. Maybe it don't matter to you but its apparent that it bothered someone so that's why this thread was started. I'm not trying to be rude but if it doesn't matter to you then why are still coming and checking the page?
I think the bottom line is that if it's called the "popular page" than shouldn't the photos with the top views/favs/comments be the ones that make it instead of the ones that don't have any of those things?........Just sayin......
I didn't realize my contribution was viewed as negative... I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting recognition for one's work at alllll, but doesn't matter what I think anyway :) my apologies then.
I understood what you meant Annie and agree with you! Nothing negative in it either... But this is - one more time - a nice opportunity to discover new persons to follow otherwise we would always have the same ones on the popular. May be we should remember the "idea" of 365 and from what I know it's not a challenge pictures site... Sorry for my English, hope I said what I wanted, I didn't want to offense anybody.
I agree with Tracy and Shannon - I just want the popular page to be just that - a page for popular photos.
Annie, thanks for your opinion. In my previous posts I state that the popular page is an important avenue for seeing other people's work. I used my photo as an example. I wasn't too concerned about my photo and I'm here for self-improvement, but people would be lying if they didn't at least want some recognition. Otherwise why would we post our pictures online in the first place? There's a reason why there's a correlation between the more recognition one gets and the quality of the photos.
Whether I pay or not is irrelevant. It'd be naive to not recognise that this site is a service. If it wasn't profitable then this site would not be sustained. I don't pay so I view the ads, and if I did pay for membership it would cost me for that privilege.
So let me get this straight... you guys are just saying the 'Popular' page is just not a combination of 'popular' photos right? and you either WANT them to be... or the name of the page changed??
I say lets pretend that Popular means Random. Problem solved :)
I get what everyone is saying, above. I would just like to know what the criteria are for the Popular Page. It's a bit confounding. I would like to agree to change the definition of "popular" to "random" but my brain doesn't go there. Random would work for me. Popular is iffy. My two cents. . .
Vikdaddy, I'm just going to add another reason why someone might participate in this site...or at least my own. For me it is more about learning to have a deadline, for putting something up that may or may not be liked, and learning to be ok with either outcome.
A photo of mine (time to make sauce) was on the page, I was quite surprised, and thrilled about it. I wanted to capture the moment so I just got out my trusty point and shoot and took a picture of the page. came out great. So now I can look at it and say yep I made the page.--still don't know how---------
just to be totally off topic here- how do you know if your photo made it up there on the "popular/random" page? :) do you have to just keep checking? that seems a bit tedious...
lol, Haley, I think the most obvious way is if you notice that your photo is all of a sudden generating a lot of views or if people you don't know are commenting. Otherwise, if the way photos for the "popular" page are picked has changed then I suppose it would be by chance or tedious repetition.
I personally don't care if the page is popular or random. I just think it should be what the name of the page suggests. and of course a different layout would be nice, I don't like the staggering sizes of the thumbnails.
I believe the images selected for the popular page and the subsequent official popular lists are the work of the site creator(s) and some of his/her associates. If they like your work then you are in, otherwise out. This is a pretty cuthroat business. They operate much like any other juror for an art show. The best advice I can give you is pay them no mind, otherwise your work will become what others want from you and not what you want to portray. I find that quality work will ultimately be recognized.
Hi John,
It really isn't me picking the pictures for the popular page, i'd be here all day!
It's an algorithm i wrote, iit's designed to show pictures that are "upcoming" too, not just the pictures from the most popular photographers, in fact, the most popular people are handicapped so it's even harder for them to get on there! :-)
Nothing that has ever been said here about the 'popular' page, including Ross' explanation above, makes any kind of sense to me. Just makes it all foggier. Am I dense? Not that I have to understand, mind you, but if it keeps coming up in these threads, it's hard to avoid it.
No Nancy, it's not just you. I don't believe Ross answered anything. He danced around it, sort of answering the question without really answering the question.
I agree... To echo other people's points, I don't mind my pics not appearing on the page even if they have been viewed and 'faved' a lot, I just don't think the page should be called a popular page then.
Vikdaddy - I agree, but I dont think the popular page has much worth, especially given some of the pics I have seen there lately, random photos of red-eyed ppl pulling finger signs? I failed to see the appeal, creatively or anything....
Well, it IS "silly" things like that , that deter some people from paying for a membership. There are a few things I'd like to see different or added before buy a membership.
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I think it's important that the popular page works efficiently, because it's the most effective way of getting noticed on this site. One for Ross Scrivener to solve methinks!
(still think we should have random button, but that's for a different thread!)
But no doubt you will appear in the Top 20 of week 14! As it's a great photo :-)
I just assumed the pictures were up in order of upload! But at least now I've seen your picture Vik. Very good indeed.
I think the popular page is important for this type of community because it's how many of us discover new people. So, I think it's important it works well. Also, talk of "looking a gift horse in the mouth" is wrong in my opinion because this is a service, and some people pay for it and the others have to view ads. So, it's important it is efficient because an efficient service draws more customers and retains those who are already here.
Sometimes my photo is not on the popular page even if it is rated amongst the tops of the browse by day section. But its all good!!! so long I know how to figure out if one of my photos is liked by many! I'd say Homepage would be the highlight of my day/month/year for any photo of mine, I literally shout it out to everyone if it happens to me, my blog, fb, etc...lol! Its a good feeling...
You have great photos and I'm sure you/your photos are getting good exposure
"At 365 towers we employ a crack team of highly trained monkeys to search through your photos and choose their favourites, each day they compile a list of the best and provide the photos for the world to see. Have the monkeys picked one of yours? Well done! If not, keep trying, these monkeys can be very hard to please!"
Annie, thanks for your opinion. In my previous posts I state that the popular page is an important avenue for seeing other people's work. I used my photo as an example. I wasn't too concerned about my photo and I'm here for self-improvement, but people would be lying if they didn't at least want some recognition. Otherwise why would we post our pictures online in the first place? There's a reason why there's a correlation between the more recognition one gets and the quality of the photos.
Whether I pay or not is irrelevant. It'd be naive to not recognise that this site is a service. If it wasn't profitable then this site would not be sustained. I don't pay so I view the ads, and if I did pay for membership it would cost me for that privilege.
I just want each page to work correctly.
I say lets pretend that Popular means Random. Problem solved :)
....haha okay you can disregard my comments if you think they are pure nonsense... just had to share my input.
just to be totally off topic here- how do you know if your photo made it up there on the "popular/random" page? :) do you have to just keep checking? that seems a bit tedious...
It really isn't me picking the pictures for the popular page, i'd be here all day!
It's an algorithm i wrote, iit's designed to show pictures that are "upcoming" too, not just the pictures from the most popular photographers, in fact, the most popular people are handicapped so it's even harder for them to get on there! :-)
That's enough secrets for one day!
to the ones who are really concerned about beeing on this PP. sometimes you are but don't know / see it unless someone had told you :)